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Israel escalates attacks on medics in Lebanon with deadly 'quadruple tap'

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Please don't fulminate on Hacker News.

I only do it when it is deserved, and I don’t feel like it is anything abnormal after reading the thread it is in. I would consider anyone that did not have a similar “are we the baddies” reaction to those posts to have a severe personality disorder.

The HN guidelines ask you not to fulminate regardless of how deserved it may be. All fulminators feel that it is deserved.

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I think you’re ignoring the historical context. Jews were being systematically targeted all over Europe, and at the height of the Islamic empire they held ministerial positions in the royal court. Btw, as a native Arabic speaker, I find it extremely interesting how you’re using ‘dhimma’ to mean servitude, when it literally means those who were given an oath to be protected.

> I think you’re ignoring the historical context. Jews were being systematically targeted all over Europe, and at the height of the Islamic empire they held ministerial positions in the royal court. I don't understand what point you're trying to make. Individual Jews held prestigious positions in Europe as well. So what? > Btw, as a native Arabic speaker, I find it extremely interesting how you’re using ‘dhimma’ to m…

in creating, perpetuating, and expanding israel, the zionist jews betrayed the ones who had protected them for so long, hosting them on lands that for the most part never even belonged to the jewish people to begin with. israel is the only colony turned state in history to have been created by a people who were previously stateless, this fact alone should raise suspicions about the true history and legitimacy of that state.

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I mean, I'll take being allowed to boycott israel and call their genocide a genocide in my supposedly sovereign country, without getting arrested over it.

Can you please do the same thing with the same fervent passion against all countries that do this. From the US and Russia, to Sudan.

What makes you think I don't? I can (and do) boycott these and more, UAE for example is a nono for working with or using products and services of. The difference is, I am not allowed to do the same for israel, which is magnitudes worse than any of those you've listed so far. There is nothing in modern history that matches israeli depravity.

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These where clan militias fighting for a headstanrt in the proxxy civil war to come. There is no iraq. Its a iranian proxxy with a sunni province and a basically split of kurdish region. That "nation" never existed except in western maps and heads. Those "freedom fighters" where the basis for isis and the iranian militias. None where patriots, just in it for the family wearing the state as skinsuit. They thoroughly d…

If we follow your logic, then I'd argue that similarly, there's no countries in the world. In particular, there's no United States, it's land colonized by Europeans who came to that land and slaughtered its indigenous people and claimed it for themselves.

The western culture forms meta families. We ostracize the sexual others like everyone else, but they form a nation wide "meta" family that connects everyone to everyone, allowing for the traditional clan family to flap open and dissappear with only nuclear families remaining. Oh and they form a ruling caste with working institutions. Western societies are one huge artifical clan.

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This part https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhimmi Edit: Sorry, I can't reply to your comment below, for some reason. This part, > Did you know that Jews lived among Muslims for over a thousand years in peace? is revisionist because it paints second-class status for Jews as "peace". This is ridiculous, a fiction akin to "separate but equal" without even the pretense of equality. Additionally, > The violence started happe…

who gave the jews a state? people think it was britain but britain agreed to the balfour declaration, an agreement made between zionist bankers and the british state which involved upholding the rights of the indigenous arab population and which did not involve the creation of a jewish state. how do you think jews got their state regardless? did britain change their mind and decide to give jews more than they agreed…

The Israelis accepted the partition but the Arabs didn't.

The Arabs made war instead, lost, and so Israel won the land by force of arms, same as the vast majority of states.

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Targeting first responders was already a common strategy in the bombing runs of WW2, used by both sides. This was a reason why bombers attacked in multiple waves.

War is a racket. ---- >why bombers attacked in multiple waves While historians tend to disagree (rightly IMHO) with the severity of the Dresden Bombings, as reported by Kurt Vonnegut (WWII POW @Dresden)... it was definitely a disgraceful targeting-of-civilians, by Allied Forces, for the sake of demonstrating Power , alone. Complete and utter devastation, no survivor left unravaged . ---- War is a racket.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden>

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"One high-profile journalist targeted in this way was Al Jazeera reporter Anas Al-Sharif, who was killed along with four colleagues in an Israeli airstrike earlier this month. After his death, the Israeli army quickly circulated documents claiming he had been a Hamas operative since 2013. "Yet even if taken at face value, the files showed his last contact with Hamas was in 2017 – years before the current war," said F…

You're using the term "terrorist" to describe people indigenous to the land that Israel stole. If you use logic, that makes Israel that terrorist group since they used violence to kick Palestinians out of their land and homes, not the other way around. Lookup the Jewish terrorist groups Irgu, Lehi, and Haganah. Lookup the assassination of Lord Moyne by Lehi and the 1946 Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel. The lead…

What is interesting is how governments and controlled media flip and reverse terms (in a 1984 kind of way), along with avoiding accountability, to suit their purposes. Even when it is very obvious that actions are morally wrong, war crimes, or even genocide.

It's got to the point where it's like someone outrageously punching you in the face, then pretending they didn't or were the victims, when there is a response.

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Who's the 'non-zionist' choice in the US?

It can be difficult, but many politicians are now running on explicitly anti-AIPAC and anti-Zionist campaigns. An example of this. Politicians are still politicians, and what a politician DOES is far more important than what one says. https://www.aza-pac.com/our-candidates That being said, Zionism has become political poison. Even with massive funding, pro-Israel and Zionist candidates are losing left and right.

What politicians run on and what they do after getting elected does not often match sadly.

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who gave the jews a state? people think it was britain but britain agreed to the balfour declaration, an agreement made between zionist bankers and the british state which involved upholding the rights of the indigenous arab population and which did not involve the creation of a jewish state. how do you think jews got their state regardless? did britain change their mind and decide to give jews more than they agreed…

The Israelis accepted the partition but the Arabs didn't. The Arabs made war instead, lost, and so Israel won the land by force of arms, same as the vast majority of states.

why should the arabs have accepted the partition? what was the rationale behind the partition, who made the decision and what right did they have to make such a decision, what was the justification for a zionist state to begin with?

the arabs made war after the zionists started the nakba, if zionists weren't so aggressive the arab states likely wouldn't have sent any soldiers to fight, just taken economic and diplomatic measures.

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You're using the term "terrorist" to describe people indigenous to the land that Israel stole. If you use logic, that makes Israel that terrorist group since they used violence to kick Palestinians out of their land and homes, not the other way around. Lookup the Jewish terrorist groups Irgu, Lehi, and Haganah. Lookup the assassination of Lord Moyne by Lehi and the 1946 Irgun bombing of the King David Hotel. The lead…

What is interesting is how governments and controlled media flip and reverse terms (in a 1984 kind of way), along with avoiding accountability, to suit their purposes. Even when it is very obvious that actions are morally wrong, war crimes, or even genocide. It's got to the point where it's like someone outrageously punching you in the face, then pretending they didn't or were the victims, when there is a response.

Exactly. As Bassem Youssef once put it: "Palestine is like a fish bowl. It's a lot of fish, it's condensed. Israel is like the person over that bowl, crashing the bowl, killing the fish, taking any fish they want. ...[talks about how Israel takes Palestinan hostages all the time]... At a certain point, Israel is just hovering over that fish bowl. At some moment, a fish, crazy enough, suicidal enough, will jump from the bowl, through the air, bite the pinkie of Israel. And Israel would be like: Oh my god! That bitch bit my pinkie and my hand was not even in the bowl."

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/na2hwj4vB_A

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