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US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by ranger_danger »

Jamesbeam wrote: post #171
loloquwowndueo wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lol what makes you think YOU won’t be the homeless person.

I got a house with a 25-year roof, an indestructible Japanese shitbox car I can repair myself from scrap if I have to, and enough in the bank at three to five percent to pay my taxes, all of my hobbies, eating steak every day if I wanted and my share of the universal multi-payer health care system in my country. That puts me for the rest of my life at a level of fuck you. And if the system breaks down, I’m just going…

Breathtaking entitlement, self-righteousness, and arrogance.

Arrogance is usually a defense mechanism that you can't fix with logic... people use it to shield themselves from their own insecurities so they don't feel inadequate or threatened.

If you can't see your own flaws, you can't understand why others don't like your behavior.

"As a rule, strong feelings about issues do not emerge from deep understanding."

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by jmholla »

Neikius wrote: post #198
Ajedi32 wrote: post #183

Based on the few snippets quoted in the article, I think as written this bill gets closer to a good, privacy-preserving, non-authoritarian version of "age verification" than any of the attempts so far. What it seems to be aiming for is essentially mandatory parental controls at the OS level. No ID checking or government/third party involvement, it just uses whatever age the parents enter when they set up the device/u…

Agreed. Weirdly many people are against. This really seems like the best possible option. Actually helps parents as without this there is no way to enforce kid age. So instead of having it all per account and everything linked in most privacy invading way, just your OS tells the apps/browser whatever was set in there by the parent. I want this now!

You should actually read the text of the bill. It basically tells anyone who asks what your birthday is. It places no limitations on how your age should be verified, or how requesters can use your information. And if you think this is where this kind of de-anonymization will stop, I have a bridge to sell you.

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Post by Ancapistani »

aceazzameen wrote: post #240
enceladus06 wrote: post #228

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Translation: government is the problem not the solution.

Hard disagree. Corporations running the government instead of a nation's people is the problem.

Government should be so powerless as to be unattractive targets for corporate influence.

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Post by beej71 »

bluedino wrote: post #247
ergonaught wrote: post #199

Much of the USA accepts "gun deaths" as an unfortunate but acceptable price that must be paid for the widespread freedom to own guns. When those same people are hysterical about Protecting The Children, you should understand that "protecting the children" is a distraction from whatever the actual intent may be. The general public is thoughtless, and there's little reason to think the decision-makers are much more tho…

> Much of the USA accepts "gun deaths" as an unfortunate but acceptable price that must be paid for the widespread freedom to own guns. Much of the USA recognizes that "gun deaths" are caused by criminals who aren't going to follow any gun laws in the first place.

This response, however, does not really address protecting the children.

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Post by Ancapistani »

mapt wrote: post #114
RobotToaster wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion" - Thomas Jefferson

And then didn't (publicly) come out against suppressing the Whiskey Rebellion.

... which is entirely consistent with his statements.

Here are more of his own words from the same letter:

> And what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.

The blood of patriots and tyrants. He never expected rebellion to go unchallenged, he was advocating that we should maintain the spirit of rebellion as a guard against tyranny.

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Post by Ancapistani »

kardianos wrote: post #162

I hope people realize that most of these bills are being introduced in blue states by Democrats. Republicans may not like porn, but they put the onus where it belongs, on the operator, not on the OS.

I can list as many reasons as you'd like to vote against Democrats, but this just isn't one of them.

If anything, the GOP is worse on this issue.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by beej71 »

Neikius wrote: post #198
Ajedi32 wrote: post #183

Based on the few snippets quoted in the article, I think as written this bill gets closer to a good, privacy-preserving, non-authoritarian version of "age verification" than any of the attempts so far. What it seems to be aiming for is essentially mandatory parental controls at the OS level. No ID checking or government/third party involvement, it just uses whatever age the parents enter when they set up the device/u…

Agreed. Weirdly many people are against. This really seems like the best possible option. Actually helps parents as without this there is no way to enforce kid age. So instead of having it all per account and everything linked in most privacy invading way, just your OS tells the apps/browser whatever was set in there by the parent. I want this now!

It is one of the better options. Instead of vaporizing the ship, it only blows it in half at the keel.

As TFA notes, once this is in place, we're behind the eight ball from then on. You want to post something that the government doesn't like, something that insults our Dear Leader or promotes a political alternative? Guess who's getting an "over 21" rating by the feds. We've already seen massive speech pressure brought to bear by the FCC and there's no reason to think this won't continue.

So I'm reluctant to give 'em an inch.

Re: US Bill Mandates On-Device Age Verification

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Post by Random_BSD_Geek »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #106
Random_BSD_Geek wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like the authors of these bills, you appear not to understand the technology. Consider AB1043. It mandates that applications check the age of the user each time the application is launched. Think about what that means when you run `make` in a source directory. How many times is the compiler application launched?

Let's try to be a little bit sensible here. Presumably the requirement to check depends on the nature of the application. A completely offline app for example has no use for an age check and thus wouldn't need to read it.

The sensible thing is to abandon these bills.

AB1043 is short; you can read it for yourself: https://legiscan.com/CA/text/AB1043/id/3273385

``` (b) (1) A developer shall request a signal with respect to a particular user from an operating system provider or a covered application store when the application is downloaded and launched. ```

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