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Post by daytonix »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #245
daytonix wrote: post #173

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I do get that. Both parties are clearly bad. But one in particular is and was yelling from the rooftops about how they were going to destroy civil liberties of certain groups, and are now doing exactly what they promised. Everyone must simultaneously fight for a better system and choose the least-worst option when it comes time for an election.

The one that forced people into their homes, required proof of medical operation to shop at stores, and tries to abolish my second amendment rights? Or the one that god forbid is deporting people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

lmao who was in office in 2020?

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Post by vel0city »

jlarocco wrote: post #250
vel0city wrote: post #236

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The US was involved in Gaza? The United States was actively spending billions dropping munitions there? When? Under which administration was the US directly involved in bombing Gaza? Can you further clarify how the US was involved in the war in Gaza, and how that was the Democrats getting involved? And do you really feel that involvement was anywhere near what is happening or comparable with Iran at the moment?

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Its not US servicemembers pulling the trigger, its not US commanders deciding on targets, its not the POTUS starting the war. Pretty radically different things in my book.

How many US servicemembers were injured or killed in the US's apparent major war with Gaza?

We've spent ~$20B in grants for weapons procurement on Israel's behalf over several years, with a lot of that being defensive missile systems. I'm not a fan of us spending so much of our money on another country's military, especially when we hear over and over how we can't afford to feed kids or provide transportation to our people. But, we've spent over double than that so far in Iran in less than two months, and that's ignoring the many billions it'll cost to fix things that were destroyed so far. We're looking at the actual US cost of this war potentially reaching one trillion dollars.

Its a scale that's so radically different. And also, one was in support of a country who we have defense agreements with who was attacked, and another was us deciding to go bomb a country seemingly unprovoked.

Who is spreading whataboutism again?

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Post by MiiMe19 »

daytonix wrote: post #261
MiiMe19 wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The one that forced people into their homes, required proof of medical operation to shop at stores, and tries to abolish my second amendment rights? Or the one that god forbid is deporting people that shouldn't be here in the first place.

lmao who was in office in 2020?

The ones who started the covid mandates were mainly democrat governors. Not sure why some people only pay attention to the president lol.

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Post by dwaltrip »

chriscrisby wrote: post #240

He disrupted a career fair because it had defense contractors. https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/oct/05/palest...

Not simply because it had defense contractors…

You made an editorial choice to leave out the part about selling weapons to Israel to use against Gaza.

Once can agree or disagree with the action to disrupt the career.

Either way, I find your omission a bit glaring.

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Post by BeetleB »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #47
jfoworjf wrote: post #5

This story is the one that finally pushed me to leave google. I moved off my ~20 year old Google account and deleted everything off their services including almost a decade of Google photos. I cancelled my Google one subscription for extra space. I'm now self hosting what I can and paying proton mail for everything else. I refuse to allow a company that will hand over data at the request of an administrative warrant…

Migrating is such a good feeling. You don't have to do it all at once, either: I migrated to fastmail over the course of several years. Each time google did something that got my blood pressure up I went into my password manager and migrated another account. In aggregate it was a hassle, but these days I almost miss the feeling of being able to do something in response to stinky actions from google.

Anticipation of stories like this are why I didn't rely much on Google 20 years ago.

Never used Gmail other than as a throwaway account.

Went many years before I had a Youtube account. Finally made one to upload some videos. I am normally not logged in.

(OK, OK - I was more concerned with them suddenly charging for a "free" service, as well as selling data to commercial enterprises than with them giving to the government).

(OK, OK - I do use Android).

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Post by daytonix »

MiiMe19 wrote: post #263
daytonix wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

lmao who was in office in 2020?

The ones who started the covid mandates were mainly democrat governors. Not sure why some people only pay attention to the president lol.

trump claimed ownership of vaccine development, deployment, and mandates when they were successful. i remember you guys booing him about that

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Post by pseudalopex »

WalterBright wrote: post #127
soganess wrote: post #106

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A country is not a house. Conflating the legal framework of a nation-state with the etiquette of a private living room is a category error. As John Locke demonstrated when refuting the patriarchal theory of government, political power is fundamentally distinct from household authority. A private home is governed by the unilateral property rights of an owner; a republic operates via constitutional law and public right…

Analogies are never perfect. The point remains, however. If you're here on a visa, the visa can be revoked, and you can be ejected. Revoking a visa is not a criminal sanction and not a violation of your rights, as there is no right to a visa. Your citizenship cannot be revoked.

> Analogies are never perfect.

This was a fallacious excuse for a fallacious analogy.

> Revoking a visa is not a criminal sanction and not a violation of your rights, as there is no right to a visa.

They mentioned inherent freedoms. They believed rights and laws are different seemingly.

> Your citizenship cannot be revoked.

Your citizenship cannot be revoked possibly. Others can.[2]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47537839

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denaturalization

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Post by traderj0e »

vel0city wrote: post #180
traderj0e wrote: post #110

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It totally is. Democrats got led into Israel's wars too. Interestingly the support was different, like Trump got money from the Adelsons and Biden from pro-Israel lobbies.

> Democrats got led into Israel's wars too. Which ones?

Syria, Gaza, and even Iran.

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Post by oceansky »

laweijfmvo wrote: post #178
eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

The people. We voted for the people who gave the power, and we re-elected them. It’s really that simple. Is it “too late” now? maybe, but we had ~25 years since this all started post 911 to react, and chose not to.

There elections every two years, it's not too late. But only if people actually want that enough to vote and press politicians.

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #169
drnick1 wrote: post #124

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That's what they said about Obama, but he got Iran to give up their stockpile of enriched Uranium, give up enrichment beyond 4%, and submit to a severe inspection program. All for unfreezing less money than Trump has spent so far on the Iran War, let alone the $200B that he wants, let alone the economic damage from the Hormuz shutdown, let alone the $5T that happened last time a Republican asked to spend $200B on a q…

You're right about a lot above. I would clarify though that Obama's deal was made by paying $150B+ to Iran (releasing frozen assets), which was immediately used to fund terrorists and conflicts in Syria, Yemen, Iraq etc.

US withdrew from JCPOA under Trump (which led to a certain chain of events), but Biden was not able to revive it during his term. Not clear why we think a different president would be able to, and under what terms/concessions.

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