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Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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What is shocking about youtube's advertising is just how bad the supposedly "targeted" aspect of it is. The entire original advantage these tech companies had over traditional entertainment and media companies was their access to data and their ability to use that for targeted advertising. It was supposed to be a win-win, so they claimed. The viewer would get targeted advertising to match their interests and brands w…

The ads are garbage because Google didn’t want the ads to be hyper optimized and hyper targeted to you. It gives people an uncanny valley feeling. Meta takes a different approach and people often accuse Instagram to snoop on their conversations, even if Instagram is not doing that and is merely good at optimizing the ads. And given that both companies are successful at ads, I’d say both approaches are commercially su…

Can't they at least target the ads to the specific content they're played on?

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Why would they? The entire point of YouTube Premium is removing ads. There are a few other benefits, but being ad-free is the big one. If they put back ads, I believe that most people will simply cancel their subscription and get a renewed interest in ad-blockers. It makes more sense to just increase the price, as they do. It is not like Amazon. Most people get Amazon Prime for the "free" shipping, and Prime with ads…

By the way, one of the Premium features is to be able to skip over in-video sponsored segments.

SponsorBlock already does this.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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Hyperbolically, I think it's one of humanity's greatest resources. I can find anything from precision machining, LLM internals, historical footage of WWI, music performances from pretty much any era, and on, and on. There are so many things that I didn't know there was any footage of or that I didn't a single thing about that I find there pretty much daily. I wish the BBC would publish their whole archive through YT.…

There is a subreddit https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepIntoYouTube/ which brings up channels and videos with negligible number of views usually in range of 100 or less.

This video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3emFAf3jqQQ for example is from 15 years ago with 102 views right now.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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you know what... besides everything, good for them. I don't know if many of you remember the olden days of Youtube, when it wasn't lead by corporate greed, and before it was infested by greedy abysmal shitty people - When profits weren't the driving force behind content creation. Whenever I see content creators like that on Youtube right now I just wish them the best, and if they have a platform currently that suppor…

Thanks for your favourites/recommendations! I'm definitely gonna check them out, already watching Acerola's "Why I'm Moving To Godot In 2025".

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Youtube must know better than me what to recommend me out of all the videos... still, I get presented the same shite again and again. To be fair: not everything is shite and Youtube is my favorite social media (especially for discovering new music), but I noticed a big drop in quality videos from one day to the other a couple of years ago. Just opening up Youtube one day and seeing all kinds of thumbnails with people…

Agreed. It painfully overfits based on what I've watched. I've watched thousands of videos and it still doesn't understand me at all because it appears to treat every action as equal. As an example, I like watching the Starcraft II streamer uThermal but I'm not really interested in other Starcraft II content creators because uThermal scratches that itch. However YouTube will keep showing me Starcraft II content creat…

Youtube's front page is terrible:

- Of the topmost 4 videos I would consider watching one because I am already subscribed to the channel and even have the particular video in Watch Later (so what's the point?)

- Shorts appearing again and again after I explicitly remove them, taking up valuable space

- Below some random videos half of which I am already subscribed to so I can see them in Subscriptions - no need for duplicates

- The other half in large part is of doomerism, although I don't watch that content

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It was in pre-tiktok world(push to regular content update) & before the purge. A lot of content is now gone. Its a great resource but very loosely coupled with humanity/human knowledge (and arguably a pretty poor resource for it, both theoretically (linear information with contant velocity such as video) and practically (the content just isn't there on youtube, search is truncated etc.)). > I didn't a single thing ab…

What purge? I'm searching Google trying to figure out what you're talking about but not getting any meaningful results.

(Edit: found a link that covers the first half of what I'm talking about. It took some digging. There is no way you'd have found it with the little info you had)

https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/isis-terror/ads-shown-isis... )

I have de-lurked because I can actually contribute to this. I am almost positive that what this is referring to is the time ISIS/ISIL (as it was still sometimes referred to then) uploaded the first video of one of their hostages (a kidnapped journalist?) being beheaded on YouTube. It would have been between 2013 and 2017 inclusive.

Advertising was in full swing on youtube with household names like Pepsi and McDonalds advertising regularly on youtube. BUT ads weren't restricted to certain types of videos then... i don't know if you were paying attention to world events then but ISIS was always in the news and when they released the beheading video it was linked EVERYWHERE. so of course when people went to go and watch a gruesome beheading, before or after it played they would see "da da da da da, I'm loving it".

There was a brief but MASSIVE public outrage against any company whose advertisements were involved, because people thought these companies were endorsing ISIS and beheadings. They didn't understand that the advertisers were paying Youtube for coverage but had no say in exactly what videos recevied what ads. They just blamed the companies they saw in connection with the video. As damage control, these major companies of course instantly pulled all ads from running on youtube and pointed the finger at YouTube, LOUDLY. Youtube lost a substantial amount of revenue and reputation pretty much overnight. Probably in less than 24 hrs. To repair their own reputation and become an attractive and reliable investment for advertisers asap, YouTube immediately took measures to prevent this occurring again. Thus was the first purge.

I do not remember what other measures or standards were originally but they've changed over the years since. Most of the people talking about its rollon effects were youtubers talking about how it affected them personally in youtube videos, with vague or dramatic titles, which is why you would not find many results on google. They didnt want google to find them and see them criticising them and take their videos down too. I do not think the cottage industry we now have around influencers and content creation, including networking and news, had really gotten off the ground then, so nobody that i can think of would have been systematically documenting it in a written text-searchable form. Thus, no google presence.

It's really scary to me that such a major shaping event in our online lives and thus our culture has gone largely undocumented except through videos which people delist, delete, or get copyright struck down, all the time.

Tldr: Isis has a substantial share in the blame for ruining youtube. Isis is still going.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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I don’t agree at all. This was true a decade ago, but today YouTube comments are almost all positive, and you’ll often get some really insightful ones too.

Channels can moderate their comments too. So channels run by thoughtful, community-oriented people will zap trash comments. The music production sphere is especially good.

Maybe I’m just really lucky, but I feel like almost all the channels I watch have supportive, normal comments at the top. Especially on music related videos. Maybe that’s just moderation, but I feel like it could just be self-selection.

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Newpipe and freepipe!

A competitor to YouTube needs to support paying the creators not demand content for free.

I'm fine with using youtubes platform to browse creators and then supporting independently those I watch/want to.

No one demanded anything! I'm not certain that the firehose of "content" that youtube is creating is all that valuable to humanity, and I won't subject myself to ads to support it's existence.

Re: YouTube now world's largest media company, topping Disney

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"Hyperbolically, I think it's one of humanity's greatest resources." The content is one of humani .... oh it is all of ... oh its in the hands of ... a commercial company renowned for adverts. Is there not a better place for human creativity than ... Google? Should my TV license fee fund Google? Fuck off (hyperbolically)!

> oh it is all of ... oh its in the hands of ... a commercial company renowned for adverts. As opposed to governments renowned for colonizing half the world, destroying countless cultures, committing genocide in living memory?

> As opposed to governments renowned for colonizing half the world, destroying countless cultures, committing genocide in living memory?

Yes. Private companies are capable of the same, with addition of having profit as a sole purpose of existence.

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