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Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

jayofdoom wrote: post #131
sombragris wrote: post #120

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> However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. Claws-mail ( https://claws-mail.org ) has a good working Windows version. Native desktop app, lightweight, extremely fast, able to handle multigigabyte inboxes for breakfast. The only drawback for some would be that it does not compos…

I used this for a while. It doesn't display HTML emails just fine. It only supports a subset of stuff which -- as a geek is awesome because it protects me -- but would be hideous to give to a normal user. Literally less than half of my emails were readable.

Would it matter for this particular use?

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Post by malfist »

marcosdumay wrote: post #147
stackskipton wrote: post #41

Everyone likes to point and laugh, sure, I'm getting a chuckle as well. However, on more practical level, what are other options? Outlook, the desktop application works really well with local copies, is pretty low bandwidth and very familiar to end users. IMAP with Thunderbird is probably only other option that would satisfy the requirements. EDIT: Yes they need to get email in space. It's easy way to send documents…

You'd want fetchmail with some local server. And if you are going with some local server, the Exchange/Outlook family is just the worst possible option. Those people already have enough stuff to maintain up there, they don't need something that require in-house expert admins.

Like a fetchmail admin?

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Post by sanex »

mvkel wrote: post #16
jmacklin308 wrote: post #6

We migrated earlier this year and had a similar problem. Outlook (classic) works differently than the OWA version. They keep the classic version so people don't spontaneously throw a chair out a window. It's being phased out slowly.

I'm betting in 15 years, people will still be using Outlook (classic). This is the culture.

People are probably still using Outlook Express

Re: Artemis computer running two instances of MS outlook; they can't figure out why

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Post by autoexec »

thephyber wrote: post #243
dotancohen wrote: post #217

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This comment is downvoted, but it is correct. Emailing a file takes roughly 30% more bandwidth than a file transfer protocol (any such protocol, not necessarily FTP) due to mime encoding.

Discussion of the MIME part’s encoding as being an inefficient size is missing the forest for the trees. The entire message is (or can be) compressed before transmission (eg. When IMAP has DEFLATE enabled). Just because an intermediate encoding step expands binary to make it text safe doesn’t mean it has to stay uncompressed during the entire existence of that MIMe message.

If all you need is file transfer even the message header is a lot of overhead (how much overhead depends on the client and how many devices handle the message). Mail servers don't always handle large files very well either. Even if they upload correctly downloading can be difficult. It's not uncommon for a single message with a large attachment to clog a mailbox and prevent other messages from being sent/received. That said, I'm not even saying it can't/wont work, just that there's better options for sending files and there are certainly better MUAs than outlook.

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Post by throwaway290 »

tempaccount5050 wrote: post #103
acdha wrote: post #82

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Yeah, the only other option I’d consider for this would be Apple Mail on an iPad for the same reason that it works well offline or with low bandwidth networks. There’s a QA issue here but the logic is quite reasonable.

Apple Mail does not play nicely with Outlook/Exchange/M365 accounts. Everywhere I've worked had said "You can use Apple Mail if you want, but IT won't be supporting it. Outlook app only." Always issues with syncing mail or contacts.

> Apple Mail does not play nicely with Outlook/Exchange/M365 accounts. Everywhere I've worked had said "You can use Apple Mail if you want, but IT won't be supporting it. Outlook app only." Always issues with syncing mail or contacts.

using apple mail app with exactly literally that. not a problem in 4-5 years. switched phones/computers recently and set up process was no glitch. just awful MS login with a bunch of login redirects and then it's fine.

if IT told me to use outlook app Id be gone the next day probably

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Post by ianburrell »

2muchcoffeeman wrote: post #167
EvanAnderson wrote: post #45

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I don't know why people are surprised by this. Using suitable off-the-shelf solutions for non-mission-critical purposes seems like a very reasonable thing to do. I'm recalling this from my memory of "The Space Above Us" podcast: There were various bespoke teleprinters sent up on early shuttle flights that had exciting failure modes (if I remember correctly one of them started smoking) and in at least a couple of case…

I’m surprised they went with outlook rather than something like thunderbird. And I’m surprised they are burning power on an os that can run outlook.

NASA is a large government organization. Microsoft Outlook is understandable. I assumed they were reading their normal email.

Laptop uses negligible power. The solar panels generate eight houses worth of power (they don't give number).

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Post by bitwize »

mrintegrity wrote: post #119
EvanAnderson wrote: post #54

This talk about off-the-shelf hardware in space makes me wonder, given the clear line of sight, if it would be possible to detect their Wi-Fi access points' beacons from Earth. I'm not a "radio guy" and don't know if this would be impossible, simply on the basis of physics, due to the presumably low radiated power from the APs and the limitations of the size of typical antennas on the ground. (Obviously it's possible…

Taking bets that the access point is called "Free Airport WIFI" https://www.npr.org/2010/10/09/130451369/the-zombie-network-...

And they control the spacecraft using a Logitech Bluetooth game controller

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Post by lostlogin »

throwaway290 wrote: post #265
tempaccount5050 wrote: post #103

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Apple Mail does not play nicely with Outlook/Exchange/M365 accounts. Everywhere I've worked had said "You can use Apple Mail if you want, but IT won't be supporting it. Outlook app only." Always issues with syncing mail or contacts.

> Apple Mail does not play nicely with Outlook/Exchange/M365 accounts. Everywhere I've worked had said "You can use Apple Mail if you want, but IT won't be supporting it. Outlook app only." Always issues with syncing mail or contacts. using apple mail app with exactly literally that. not a problem in 4-5 years. switched phones/computers recently and set up process was no glitch. just awful MS login with a bunch of lo…

I was you. And then I needed access to other account and you cant get them running without using Outlook as far as I can tell.

I hate Apple Mail Search, I loath Outlook.

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Post by lostlogin »

esseph wrote: post #245
papichulo2023 wrote: post #235

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Dude you are on HN no Reddit, most people around here use Linux

I wished I believed this, but it feels closer to 50% Apple, 35% Windows, 15% Linux.

We could do with a poll.
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