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GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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What are some good alternatives for closed source codebases that people have been using and enjoying? I only ask because I already know of good alternatives for FOSS, but it's the private / work projects that keep me tethered to GH for now.

self hosted Gitea is my recommendation. has everything one needs and is super lean and resource saving. you can run it easily on a 1GB VPS - I even ran it for a while on 512MB.

I really like the end-user experience when I stumble on Gitea repos online, too.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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People buy things because of ads all the time. Probably you've done it too. I go out of my way not to buy products advertised to me, but I've definitely fallen to the incessant brain-washing of brand advertising. Probably regular advertising too depending what you include as adverts. I was surprised speaking to someone the other day, just out and about. They'd purposefully gone out to buy doughnuts they'd seen advert…

The thing that really messed with me recently was when I started thinking deeply about the fact that I’ve been seeing so many Southwest ads about their switch to assigned seating… I realized that they probably made that whole change, along with all of the ads, because they knew it would spark mild outrage and discussion from people who saw it — they’d discuss if assigned seating is actually better or worse than the p…

Wow - that's a big change, and they seem too savy for it to be coincidence, plus it makes it seem like they're adding something other airlines have taken away. Meanwhile they will make way more as everyone - including the unassigned seat penny pinchers like me - needs to purchase a bag these days.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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The fact that they chose to publish the ad _under someone else's name_ is so tone deaf that I just can't understand what they were thinking.

This. It's so far out there that I have to wonder if it's a rogue employee who thought this a good excuse to cause reputational damage without it being too obvious. Doesn't pass several razors though (not the simplest explanation; malice involved.. is that Hanlon's and Occam's razor?), so I don't truly believe it... but it would be possible

Since it's AI and Microsoft I can believe that someone who doesn't know what they're doing would be given a mandate to promote AI under any means necessary at the cost of some other team's reputation.

But it's an insane move. If anything AI has made it more important than ever to know who authored something and then someone does this to promote AI.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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They were not ads though. The companies did not pay for those, from what I can tell. Microsoft seemed to really thought they were being helpful here.

That's a generous interpretation. I see it as just preparation for selling the space. After a few months of "tips" they go to companies and say, "hey, you know those tips we have in our PRs? You can be in every 10th one of them for X dollars?"

I could totally see them priming the ad engine; next step would be "PR tips get viewed by X million eyeballs a month; how many do you want to buy?"

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Funny that people said the exact same thing back when GitHub was originally acquired [0], I wonder how many actually went through with their words and ditched it. I bet GitHub has more users today than ever before though. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17227286

They can have the new users pushing out sloppy projects. The serious users leaving will definitely dent profitability. And GitHub being a social network, could start a death spiral.

What profitability? I'm pretty sure GitHub is a loss leader to push people to Azure and cloud services. I also don't know anyone who actually uses GitHub as a social network even though it ostensibly has such features.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…

Product managers do not care about customers. They only care about their bonus and the line moving up.

I wonder which direction their line is moving.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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I’ll never understand why they ruined GitHub. They had everything they needed - the one place in the world where 99% of open source projects were hosted, where all the discussions happened. A product that people were so used to that it was a no brainer when it came to hosting private repos. And they had to ruin it and give space to GitLab and other competitors. What a waste…

Because it's Microsoft. Categorically incapable of respecting their users. What's interesting to me is how many people went like 'Oh, Satya really gets open source, this time it will be different'. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17225599

I am not sure it is that. The job of Microsoft is to satisfy shareholders. That is the only target. They only care about users to the extend that helps the shareholders.

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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Microsoft is seriously the worst offender in shoving AI down everyone's throats. I'm pro-AI adoption but the way Microsoft distastefully forces Copilot into everything is how you get people to hate AI. I’m guessing product teams are told by upper management to AI-fy every product they own. Teams are then rushed to just get something out there whether they make sense or not.

> Microsoft is seriously the worst offender in shoving AI down everyone's throats. The worst, or just ahead of the curve? Because you’re kidding yourself if you don’t think every other AI company or company integrating AI into their products won’t be using it as an advertising delivery vehicle.

exactly - the worst, or the best?

Re: GitHub backs down, kills Copilot pull-request ads after backlash

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"You're just a bunch of fanatic, Linux obsessed Microsoft haters living in the past. Microsoft are the good guys now." -- ca. everyone here, during the GitHub acquisition

"Microsoft loves open source now!" Oh, they adore it. Specially once they figure out how to plaster all open source projects with ads...

Microsoft: "We're EMBRACING open source!"

Everyone who remembered Microsoft in the 90s: "Uhhhhh... :concerned_face:"

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