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The bridge to wealth is being pulled up with AI

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Re: The bridge to wealth is being pulled up with AI

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Post by monknomo »

deaux wrote: post #222
automatic6131 wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The idealized future in my option has something like 1/1000th of the current population Okay! You first though. What, still here?

"You participate in society, how curious" If they're choosing not to have kids then they are doing their part towards their beliefs.

There is a more direct action possible here.

The thing is, in advocating for removing 999 out of 1000 people (how? I don't hear a suggestion for a gradual decline, so assuming a bloody genocide seems like a reasonable interpretation), opens a body up to pretty harsh criticism. It's reasonable to read that line of reasoning as a direct threat!

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

automatic6131 wrote: post #248
deaux wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"You participate in society, how curious" If they're choosing not to have kids then they are doing their part towards their beliefs.

Nope, using the "I am very intelligent" comic doesn't work to defend those who want to eliminate society

Oh see that’s where you’ve hallucinated (apparently not just computer hallucinate after all ;))

Who said anything about elimination?

All that has to happen is for people to stop reproducing

We’re already pretty well along that track (except Afghanistan and the DRC)

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Post by cardanome »

TGower wrote: post #164
bluefirebrand wrote: post #149

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> it seems likely the path will be gradual and prosperous enough that we can handle the transition in a way that provides for everyone What are you talking about man, we don't even provide for everyone right now even though we actually could

Right now it is difficult for the average person to put themselves in the shoes of a homeless person. There are a litany of ready made excuses not to do so: "Oh it's the drugs", "They aren't even going to the shelter", "They must have mental illness", a variety of ways to say "I could never end up like that, if it was me I'd do better and pull myself out". These excuses evaporate in the face of a real automation wave…

The average person is pretty empathetic. The oligarchs of the current Epstein-regime that start wars and fund genocide, not so much. They are trained to dehumanize people.

Without radical change of the current system any technological advancement will only make the rich richer.

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Post by defrim »

keiferski wrote: post #185
tartoran wrote: post #182

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Yeah, succeed in the system, fuck everybody else. If the system is making the world a worse place, all the better, you can take advantage since you’re in the system. All that until you find yourself spat out by the system and get to experience what you’ve been part of with no recourse.

Your interpretation of the comment in this way says more about you than anything else. Because that's not what I or the parent comment said.

and your conclusion on this situation says a lot about your current state of economic privilege and/or ignorance

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Post by anigbrowl »

bloppe wrote: post #194
jmye wrote: post #117

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> We’re already there. Your individual labor isn’t enough to make a living unless you subscribe to the altar of a feudal FAANG. This is preposterous. You think you already can't "make a living" without working at a FAANG? Is this a serious post?

For a lot of people on HN, "making a living" means owning property in a VHCOL area.

Those used to be quite reasonable cost of living areas. We're not talking about owning a mansion in the Hamptons, but a decent-sized apartment in a downtown area or a nice single family home in a pleasant neighborhood.

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Post by vel0city »

scruple wrote: post #202
jorblumesea wrote: post #159

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they will get poor people to die fighting each other, as it works today.

Service for citizenship, stationed along the border walls and manning really big fucking guns seems to be the place my brain always goes to in these sorts of conversations.

SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP

I'm doing my part!

Would you like to know more?

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Post by gradus_ad »

cheesecompiler wrote: post #242
gradus_ad wrote: post #67

A rebuttal: the institutional and experiential barriers to wealth generation can be overcome with AI unlike any other technology before. Consider: someone wanting to start a business previously had to negotiate tremendous legal/compliance/technological hurdles. The prospect of going alone given these is very intimidating so most without wealth or connections didn't. Their good ideas languished. Now, everyone has a kn…

Rebuttal: we are yet to see this actually materialize beyond the theoretical fantasy. We have seen this with computers and internet already: the supposedly democratic technology consolidated in a few platform monopolies.

Whether or not AI consolidates (even more than now) is irrelevant. The tech is extremely useful as a catalyzer of ideas and stimulus to action.

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Post by noobermin »

The opening paragraph bothers me greatly. "multiply a gaussian and a power law, the power law dominates." They literally are distributions of different variables, why would you "multiply" two different distributions that exist on different domains!? The example they're using as an opening is very wrong, it makes no sense and makes the author sound incompetent.

Even if I get the point they're trying to make (if I try hard to find it), the very fact that they don't even know how mathematics in the "mathematical" part of their opening does not inspire confidence in the rest of the essay. It's very hard for me to move past the opening after the very first few lines!

Perhaps this is just because I'm a scientist, I'm surprised no one is picking at this because I feel insane reading this and this not being the first nitpick at the top of every comment. The correct way you're represent this (dist of "life outcomes", whatever that means) is that it would be a 2D histogram with IQ and wealth on the different axes. But this is not "multiply the two" wherein "one would dominate".

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Post by metalliqaz »

smallmancontrov wrote: post #12
achierius wrote: post #7

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> before its concentration leads to legislative capture This already happened

We fixed it before and we can fix it again. We need another Roosevelt.

Exactly how that may have played out in the last century could be explained by many, many chains of causes and effects. But it wasn't a great leader that made it happen. At the bottom of everything, I believe it was this:

Decades of Famine, Pestilence, War, and Death destroyed not only capital but huge swaths of the labor pool. With labor at a premium, it became more valuable and power shifted.

I think that without a similar apocalypse, it will not happen again.

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Post by gip »

cglan wrote: post #16

The future (if we keep using money to allocate resources) is something akin to feudalism but worse. If you are born at the bottom you will never rise to the top. It's bleak. Even worse, your labor will not be needed, nor will your intellectual abilities. There will be a few well off people with capital. The data centers will be guarded by automatons and drones. Everyone else will essentially live in a parallel econom…

I agree with the risk you’re pointing to. Money currently mediates access to resources through labor and markets.

We either need to redesign money or a novel way to mediate access to resources. I haven't seen any proposal to make that work, which is a bit scary.

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