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Department of State advises Americans worldwide to exercise increased caution

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engcoach wrote: post #209
nozzlegear wrote: post #140

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What are you saying? Speak plainly so we don't have to guess.

Israel

The Iranians chant Death To Israel because Israel is a Middle Eastern ally of the United States, who propped up the Shah. This is why the US is the Big Satan, and Israel is the Little Satan. This was all spelled out clearly by Khomeini.

You have the cause and the effect backwards. I suggest reading more about Khomeini, you might like his viewpoints. He decreed that the unmarried female protesters must be raped before being executed, so that they would not enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

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dwb wrote: post #197
dotancohen wrote: post #168

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It’s bold to get presumptuously snooty about people’s understanding of history, and even mention the closeness of the Shah with the US, without acknowledging how the Shah came to power…! To say nothing of the US’s more recent interventions in other Muslim-majority countries. Do you not think that might go further to explain the discontent, especially considering Khomeini’s comments that you refer to, than some nebulo…

Fine, the US propped up the Shah. I didn't see it as relevant but there you go. Khomeini himself didn't see it as too relevant either, as he barely mentioned it after the revolution. He did state that the US was the source of all Muslims' problems, many times, but he did not mention the US support of the Shah as part of his regular rallies.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

encrypted_bird wrote: post #73
SanjayMehta wrote: post #17

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> How nice it must be to be able to just dismiss these things. I don't know anyone in the US in real life who is happy with the current situation, including people who voted for Trump. The cheer leaders are only visible online. The people who voted for Harris are saying "we told you so," and the others are saying "he conned us."

I'm not sure where you live, but try going to some of the super-small towns in the Midwest. I unfortunately still see people openly wearing MAGA hats and have MAGA flags on the flag poles in their yards. Trust me, as sad as it is, those people still exist.

Not in the US, just reporting what I'm seeing on signal/WA groups consisting of mostly former classmates and colleagues. A sample size in the low hundreds. These are CA, OR and WA centric with exactly one guy in TN.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

stavros wrote: post #26
SanjayMehta wrote: post #17

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> How nice it must be to be able to just dismiss these things. I don't know anyone in the US in real life who is happy with the current situation, including people who voted for Trump. The cheer leaders are only visible online. The people who voted for Harris are saying "we told you so," and the others are saying "he conned us."

I don't understand the "he conned us" stance. He was literally saying all these things before getting elected. He wasn't being coy about it, we all knew it would be terrible, and here we are. What was the con exactly? If there's one thing you can't accuse Trump of, it's ever masking how utterly nonsensical he is.

Don't know why you're getting downvoted, but I believe the con was the "no wars" line. He was supposed to stop the Ukraine war in 24 hours, remember but he seemed to just lose interest in it.

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Post by SanjayMehta »

pasquinelli wrote: post #45
stavros wrote: post #26

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I don't understand the "he conned us" stance. He was literally saying all these things before getting elected. He wasn't being coy about it, we all knew it would be terrible, and here we are. What was the con exactly? If there's one thing you can't accuse Trump of, it's ever masking how utterly nonsensical he is.

i thought he was more anti-war

He was never anti-war. There are videos of him ranting about Kharg Island dating back to the 1980s. (I wonder if he had friends/relatives in the hostage crisis.)

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Post by tomhow »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #184
archagon wrote: post #169

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What do you mean by European? Because as someone with Slavic heritage, I'd rather you excluded my culture from your offensively aggregated "Western European" culture. You don't get to claim Dostoyevsky, Pushkin, and Solzhenitsyn just because the color of our skin has a similar shade. In terms of religion, the Orthodox Church only has surface-level overlap with Evangelical Protestantism. And much like the Irish, Polis…

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archagon wrote: post #169
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What do you mean by European? Because as someone with Slavic heritage, I'd rather you excluded my culture from your offensively aggregated "Western European" culture. You don't get to claim Dostoyevsky, Pushkin, and Solzhenitsyn just because the color of our skin has a similar shade. In terms of religion, the Orthodox Church only has surface-level overlap with Evangelical Protestantism. And much like the Irish, Polis…

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tomhow wrote: post #266
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You've been on HN long enough to know that this kind of discussion is not what HN is for. This comment breaks these guidelines: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Please respond to the stronges…

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TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #268
tomhow wrote: post #266

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You've been on HN long enough to know that this kind of discussion is not what HN is for. This comment breaks these guidelines: Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes. Comments should get more thoughtful and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive. Please don't fulminate. Please don't sneer, including at the rest of the community. Please respond to the stronges…

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

defrost wrote: post #185
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #184

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On the one hand, I do know where you're coming from, on the other ... White European culture [..] including [..] Australia, Canada, South Africa and Zimbabwe before they turned to shit. Freedom of expression, not executing gays or hunting them for sport; the end of slavery, Congrats, you've named places that in my lifetime have had effective slavery (stolen generations, imposed domestic servitude) and the freedom to…

I’m from Adelaide, so I’m well aware of the gay bashing and “suicides” that happened in Australia.

But as you put it: had

We’re not still doing those things, are we? And if they do happen we’re going we’re not turning a blind eye to them, are we?

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