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Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by gruez » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:48 PM UTC

10xDev wrote: post #251

JackFr wrote: post #240

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Triple tap seems to indicate definitely a mistake in targeting. Despite the war aims being nebulous, illegal, and ever changing, none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school.

>none of them would be advanced by bombing a girls school. no shit... this is not proof of a mistake.

>this is not proof of a mistake.

The "proof" of the mistake is Hanlon's razor and the fact that the school was adjacent a military facility and the building itself used to be for military purposes.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by mhb » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:49 PM UTC

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #247

mhb wrote: post #236

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The US made a mistake while attempting to ensure that insane theocrats who are close to building nuclear weapons are not able to. The fondest wish of the religious lunatics in charge of Iran (and we know this because they have told us) is to annihilate the US and Israel. They have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe. These dots don't seem hard to connect.

> who are close to building nuclear weapons This is a lie. Not only is it not the stated purpose of the war, even Netanyahu himself went out of the way to say that Iran had no remaining capability to accomplish this and that was not why they were invaded. > They currently have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe. The US demonstrated its missiles can reach schools in Iran. Why are we more concerned with scarem…

The war has multiple goals.

> Why are we more concerned with scaremongering about what hypothetical evil acts Iran could commit while downplaying the evil acts that are actually being propagated by the US?

Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. And between the scales of different actions.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by samus » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:50 PM UTC

specproc wrote: post #74

anonymars wrote: post #55

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Other than that, of course, WWII was perfectly civilized

The unfortunate thing is how keen the US and its allies appear to recreate it.

Last time I checked, only the US and Israel. Europeans don't want anything to do with this war, and the USA's East Asian allies also like it not even a little bit.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by lukan » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:51 PM UTC

Pay08 wrote: post #253

lukan wrote: post #245

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Destroy the bombers, not children? Also I am confused which contry you mean, mutual bombing has going on there since a while.

The school was next to a missile launcher. Iran bombed Israel in January as a distraction tactic during the protests.

The school was hit 3 times by precision rockets.

The compound of the school physically separated from the military buildings since 10 years. Clearly visible on sat pictures.

Trump's reaction?

It could have been anyones Tomahawks missiles.

Is that where your information comes from, that there was a missile launcher next to it?

Oh and are you aware that Trump once said he will intentionally kill the families of terrorists, if voted into power?

https://edition.cnn.com/2015/12/02/politics/donald-trump-ter...

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by beepbooptheory » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:51 PM UTC

hakrgrl wrote: post #119

How about you make an app about "winning" that involves flying a cargo plane loaded with so much cash to Iranian Islamists that it struggles to stay aloft. Because that was the strategy before Trump and it led to terror tunnels, terror proxies, and weapons grade nuclear enrichment. Edit: For the record this actually happened 10 years ago under Obama. https://www.cnn.com/2016/08/03/politics/us-sends-plane-iran-... > W…

Listen, you have posted a lot, are very passionate here about this Obama thing. You have multiple times said "how about make an app that...". Why don't you make the app? I for one would love to play a game where you are Obama the money smuggler or whatever, it sounds kind of awesome.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by samus » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:52 PM UTC

ginko wrote: post #4

So is the message here that demining the strait of Hormuz will be fairly easy? I was expecting some curve balls at the end with undecidable constellations but it was all quite straightforward.

There are undecidable situations in Minesweeper.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by applfanboysbgon » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:52 PM UTC

mhb wrote: post #262

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> who are close to building nuclear weapons This is a lie. Not only is it not the stated purpose of the war, even Netanyahu himself went out of the way to say that Iran had no remaining capability to accomplish this and that was not why they were invaded. > They currently have demonstrated missiles that can reach Europe. The US demonstrated its missiles can reach schools in Iran. Why are we more concerned with scarem…

The war has multiple goals. > Why are we more concerned with scaremongering about what hypothetical evil acts Iran could commit while downplaying the evil acts that are actually being propagated by the US? Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts. And between the scales of different actions.

> The war has multiple goals.

One of which is explicitly not Iran's nuclear capacity, as confirmed by one of the heads of state invading.

> Because normal people can understand the difference between a mistake and intentional acts.

Normal people can also understand that some things are too serious to pass off as "oopsie". We have terms like "manslaughter" or "aggravated murder" for when your reckless negligence leads to loss of human life. You are still responsible for the murders you cause when you take actions with intent that you know will lead to people dying without intending any specific one of those deaths.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by mhb » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:53 PM UTC

applfanboysbgon wrote: post #257

mhb wrote: post #250

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I didn't think the point was that subtle. There is good and evil, right and wrong, survival and destruction. You seem to think that drawing a line around some land and calling yourself a country immunizes you from the moral scrutiny of your neighbors. While this certainly accords with the promulgations of the morally bankrupt UN, it is not a recipe for existing in our world. This is why it is important to have a powe…

It is a matter of pragmatism. Even if I myself consider my perspective on good and evil to be objective, it is a given that each of my neighbors will have their own seemingly-objective sense of good and bad that differs from my own. We are then at an impasse. Do I attempt to kill all of my neighbors in order to rid the world of what I perceive to be evil? Or do I perhaps make peace with an imperfect world in which ba…

I don't know what to tell you. You're restating the paradox of tolerance. You should probably come to some philosophical resolution regarding that before you keep digging.

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by Kwpolska » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:54 PM UTC

lukan wrote: post #43

donalhunt wrote: post #29

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Iran has indicated they will only target ships tied to countries that are involved in the conflict. That likely means US and Israel. Unclear if countries like the UK that are facilitating the US through use of their bases would be considered legitimate targets (likely yes).

Unfortunately Iran's leadership is in a bit of distress and communication disrupted, and "involved in the conflict" is a very broad term - so they do make some effort to get chinese oil out, but any ship not asking for explicit permission from Iran - will have some great risk of being targeted. Remember, the strait is not Iranian property, but International waters. So no one would have to ask them for permission, but…

Nah, the narrowest points are below 24 nautical miles, so all ships need to pass through Iran and/or Oman's territorial waters (12 nmi each).

Re: Hormuz Minesweeper – Are you tired of winning?

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Post by gruez » Sun, Mar 22, 2026, 1:54 PM UTC

galactus wrote: post #117

flyinglizard wrote: post #91

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Do you think some evil military planners sat in the Pentagon, saw that school, said "let's shoot at it for shits and giggles" and pressed the button? Or are you trying to pollute a grown up conversation with sensationalism and punchy hooks? In reality someone made a mistake. It can happen. It should be investigated. It should not deter from achieving the military objectives.

I think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country and you kill 150 children, you should be held responsible

>I think that if you start an unjustified war of agression against a country [...]

That's just moving the goalposts because the original comment said

>What part of "doing the right thing" is bombing an all girls school?

which is calling out that particular event specifically, other than the war itself. Otherwise you can just head over to the wikipedia page and point out the casualty figures.