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“Your frustration is the product”

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Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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I have been waiting for "Netflix for news or magazines". Pay $20 a month and get access to multiple publishers.

Everyone who thinks that some kind of subscription service will replace ads, needs to take a look at history. Cable TV, satellite TV, etc., might have started ad free, but they soon adopted ads. So you ended up paying for a subscription in addition to high numbers of ads.

I think that cable represents a lot of failures that don't need to repeated. If someone were serious about starting an ad-free subscription service there are things they can do to help ensure it stays ad-free. An easy one would be contract provisions that would require the company to make massive payouts to customers if ads are ever introduced to the service. That kind of provision doesn't cost an ad-free company anything to include, but when somebody gets greedy and starts considering adding ads it would make the idea much less attractive and could force them to look at other ways to enshitify their product.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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Isn’t that Apple News+? You would be correct, but...and I say this as a subscriber to Apple's "all-in-one" package...Apple News+ is in many ways garbage. Low-rent articles from publications whose time has long passed (looking at you, Popular Mechanics ), with Taboola-grade ads interspersed (as Gruber said recently, how many 30-something blonde women need hearing aids?). That said, stay away from the front page and go…

"For all my bitching, I'd still recommend it" has been my take since I got it sometime last year. It's kind of remarkable -- the ads are absolute trash and the apps, while not bad, are a little weird in hard-to-define ways other than "Apple used to do better at this whole UI thing". But if you want just a handful of the paywalled publications it unlocks for you, it's a great deal.

> "For all my bitching, I'd still recommend it"

Enshittificators love people like us.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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post #77

I used to work at a startup that was trying to replace ads as the funding source for news (we failed, obviously) but the crazy thing we discovered is that the people who run news websites mostly don’t know where their ads are coming from, have forgotten how the ad system was installed in the first place, and cannot turn them off if they try we actually shipped a server-side ad blocker, for a parter who had so complet…

That is just plain ridiculous. How the hell did they end up not knowing how to manage the content on their site?

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

#266

"I went to the New York Times to glimpse at four headlines and was greeted with 422 network requests and 49 megabytes of data." Not really the point of the article, but almost all major news sites are significantly better if you block javascript. You sometimes lose pictures and just get text, but often the pictures are irrelevant anyhow. (a story about a world leader, and some public / stock photo is used and is not…

I use uBlock Origin plus Firefox's Reader View. Honestly, just getting text sounds like heaven.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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post #178

> the equivalent of a broadcast TV channel that only showed 7 minutes of actual TV content per hour, devoting the other 53 minutes to paid commercials and promotions for other shows on the same channel. Almost no one would watch such a channel. I recently was in a 45 minutes Uber ride where the driver had the stereo set to the Sirius XM self-advertising channel - the one you get if you haven't subscribed. For 45 minu…

Or perhaps his free trial ran out and he can't justify the extra expense. Driving Uber isn't exactly a path to riches.

I realized that we may soon live in a reality where that's not an option, but I bet the car he had still allowed him to turn off the radio with the ad.

(I'm sure there would have also been countless ways to make the thing play actual music, but turning it off is the most obvious course of action.)

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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I was surprised at the claim that The Guardian leaves very little room for the article. Sure enough, I loaded it up in a private window with adblocks disabled and the above the fold was very obnoxious. Which is very surprising to me. I only read The Guardian within the Tor browser, and when the website is loaded over their onion urls I do not see the same large obnoxious ads. A rare Tor win? Maybe adnetworks block To…

I was surprised at the claim that The Guardian leaves very little room for the article. I loaded up a Guardian article this morning on my new 14" MBP, only to find out that there was so much crap on the page I couldn't even see the full headline without using Safari's "hide shit" feature.

> Safari's "hide shit" feature.

Is this reader mode or some sort of adblock-style list? (if it's the latter, I'm looking for one that I can easily add without it breaking too many sites - in my experience, the "annoyance" lists for uBlock cause too much breakage to have them enabled by default).

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

#269
post #104

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"Parable of the broken window", except instead of preventing the kid from throwing the rocks, they hired a someone to catch the rocks midair.

though in this case it seems "the rocks were coming from inside the building"

Somewhere in the net of tubes of our AC we have a machine that produces rocks. They randomly shoot of the air vents, please install ballistic shields in front of the vents to stop them from hitting our customers.

Re: “Your frustration is the product”

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post #251

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I think if there's any negative phrasing in your first three words, those reading from the Philosophers Chair (bathroom) are primed to take what immediately follows as Bad Vibes and downvote accordingly. They're not in this for accuracy. My hypothesis at least.

Interesting. How would you rewrite the first sentence to sound positive?

Well my problem isn't with the writing in its original form, it's with the downvoting in response to it. I am fine with someone bringing bad news if it's helpful info.
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