I think its hilarious that one of the AI interviewing companies is called "Humanly". That's like calling a nuclear submarine "joie de vivre"
I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job
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#262> But as we’ve covered again and again, a bias-free AI system is an impossible-to-achieve standard, since models are trained on large swaths of the internet, which contain sexism, racism, and other biases. LLM trained on texts from before 1913 (Source: https://github.com/DGoettlich/history-llms ): Q. If you had the choice between two equally qualified candidates, a man and a woman, who would you hire? A. I should pre…
I don't know where your "Q and A" comes from, but I tried to ask the question to Gemini, and it provided a nuanced answer, involving other criteria than skills. In other words it said "it depends". When I asked to answer in just one word it said "Neither". I couldn't get him to pick the man or the woman. My point is not that they are unbiased, but that could not replicate the example you provided (at least it seems t…
> I don't know where your "Q and A" comes from,
It comes from the source they said it's from, https://github.com/DGoettlich/history-llms. Expand the toggle at "Should women be allowed to work?".
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#263> But as we’ve covered again and again, a bias-free AI system is an impossible-to-achieve standard, since models are trained on large swaths of the internet, which contain sexism, racism, and other biases. LLM trained on texts from before 1913 (Source: https://github.com/DGoettlich/history-llms ): Q. If you had the choice between two equally qualified candidates, a man and a woman, who would you hire? A. I should pre…
I don't know where your "Q and A" comes from, but I tried to ask the question to Gemini, and it provided a nuanced answer, involving other criteria than skills. In other words it said "it depends". When I asked to answer in just one word it said "Neither". I couldn't get him to pick the man or the woman. My point is not that they are unbiased, but that could not replicate the example you provided (at least it seems t…
The above is specifically from a different LLM trained on the data with the knowledge cutoff of year 1913. Gemini has a cutoff date somewhere in 2025 from what I remember.
If you want to replicate, you should try the same question on the same custom LLM, not Gemini.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is quite hard to marry up with > Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it. though. If there are n people who want things and (n-1) things, then someone being unable to afford something isn't some pretend state. There is certainly an element of social construct in that the word we use is "afford", if we all agreed to use a different word that'd b…
Energy is definitely a better example than food. There is enough food produced to feed the entirety of humanity, probably several times over, but the social and political problem of who the food gets distributed to is the limiting factor, so hunger exists. Same is true for homes. There are enough homes to house everyone, yet homelessness exists. I'd argue we are already post-scarcity for many things, but distribution…
> Energy is definitely a better example than food.
They're the same thing. The point of food is to provide energy and the constraint limiting food availability is energy.
Re: I was interviewed by an AI bot for a job
#265Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know where your "Q and A" comes from, but I tried to ask the question to Gemini, and it provided a nuanced answer, involving other criteria than skills. In other words it said "it depends". When I asked to answer in just one word it said "Neither". I couldn't get him to pick the man or the woman. My point is not that they are unbiased, but that could not replicate the example you provided (at least it seems t…
> I don't know where your "Q and A" comes from, It comes from the source they said it's from, https://github.com/DGoettlich/history-llms . Expand the toggle at "Should women be allowed to work?".
Alright my bad, didn't read the full link.
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#266Earlier quoted context omitted.
That is quite hard to marry up with > Not being afford something is a 'pretend' state that only exists because everyone agrees to go along with it. though. If there are n people who want things and (n-1) things, then someone being unable to afford something isn't some pretend state. There is certainly an element of social construct in that the word we use is "afford", if we all agreed to use a different word that'd b…
> how much economically extractable oil is available on earth is actually a fundamental property of the universe. Affordability requires something to exist. Once all the oil is used up it won't be affordability that prevents you from obtaining some. As oil still exists, your ability to afford it is entirely a social construct. There isn't some fundamental property of the universe that prevents you from having that oi…
> Affordability requires something to exist.
Ok so jumping back to applies, say I have an apple and Mr A and Mr B want it. I'm going to give the apple to the person who pays me the most money. To keep it simple, this is the only apple. Maybe I've drawn a smiley face on it to make it an artwork, maybe there has been a breakout of Apple Plague, I dunno.
How do you square that with this conception of affordability? Since only one apple exists, is the person who doesn't get the apple in a state where they can afford it even though they didn't have enough money to buy it?
> The only thing standing in your way from not getting the oil you want to have is what people believe.
I'm pretty sure it is physical limits. I can think of a lot of schemes for infinite oil it is were available. There'd be a lot of space travel involved.
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#267> The creators of these AI tools say the benefit is that it allows companies to hear from virtually everyone who applies for a certain role instead of just a small subset, at least when it comes to an intro interview
So bascially the candidates have to put in way more work for a larger number of roles that they must interview at. The fact that its essentialyl zero effort for the employer and a massive effort for the candidate is a terrible formula.
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#268> If your potential employer is dehumanizing you before you’re on the payroll, how will they treat you once hired? For me, this is the key point. If a company can't even be bothered to show up for my interview -- when everyone is trying to put their best foot forward -- that bodes very ill for how I'll be treated if I were to work there.
Is it dehumanizing though?
People can dehumanize you as well. I'm going through technical interviews now. While most people interviewing me are decent enough, even the nicer ones can look at their phones, get distracted/impatient or even start hazing you. Let alone how unnatural and stressful it is to start solving algorithms in front of two people. Also - the amount of constructive feedback I got from the interviews is zero, perhaps an A.I can do a better job at it.
No one really teaches people how to interview candidates and many see it as a drain on their time and do it reluctantly. In big companies the person giving you the 1st technical interview many times isnt even on the team you're interviewing for, sometimes he's not even in the same country. So it's not like you get to meet the team on such an interview, you simply go through a mostly awkward hour to hour and half solving some Leetcode question while the guy stares silently at your shared screen or worse stares at his own tabs.
I think the whole Leetcode thing can definitely be outsourced to A.I and I have no problem with it at all, in fact it might be more comfortable for candidates bombing in front of an A.I than in front of a person.
The more behavioral interviews (usually 2nd step onwards) are the interviews where there is real value in meeting the actual team (which Leetcode step is usually not part of) - has to stay human.
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#269I believe this stuff is straight up illegal in the EU. And also: "A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision.” - IBM Training Manual, 1979[1]
1: https://www.ibm.com/think/insights/ai-decision-making-where-...
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
> how much economically extractable oil is available on earth is actually a fundamental property of the universe. Affordability requires something to exist. Once all the oil is used up it won't be affordability that prevents you from obtaining some. As oil still exists, your ability to afford it is entirely a social construct. There isn't some fundamental property of the universe that prevents you from having that oi…
> Affordability requires something to exist. Ok so jumping back to applies, say I have an apple and Mr A and Mr B want it. I'm going to give the apple to the person who pays me the most money. To keep it simple, this is the only apple. Maybe I've drawn a smiley face on it to make it an artwork, maybe there has been a breakout of Apple Plague, I dunno. How do you square that with this conception of affordability? Sinc…
> I'm going to give the apple to the person who pays me the most money.
Right. Purely a social construct. You are enabled to make that choice because Mr A and Mr B also believe you should be able to make that choice.
But what if they stop believing? Consider that Mr A and Mr B now believe the Mr B has the devine right to the last remaining apple. Do you think they are going to continue to respect that you want the most money for it? Of course not. They'll simply take it from you.
> I'm pretty sure it is physical limits.
Do you mean like if you attempted to take oil that isn't considered to be yours that an army will roll in and destroy you? That is quite likely, but the consideration of it not being yours and even the army itself are social constructs. That only plays out because the people believe in it. If, instead, people believed that the oil should be yours, you'd have no issue.
Again, whether or not you can afford oil — or anything else — simply comes down to whether or not people believe you should have it. It is entirely a social construct.