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Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Post by cluckindan »

lnx01 wrote: post #240
radpanda wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see that as the same thing as what the article was pointing out. Those are shibboleths that only an insider would know. You have to get the pronunciation of Cholmondeley or Couch "right" to pass for an insider. The random misspellings, missing spaces, sloppy grammar, etc in the examples in the article seem different to me. Misspelling "en route" as "enriewu" doesn't show, "look, I know the secret count…

The "enriewu" thing wasn't a misspelling of "en route", it was someone's name who had arrived in Miami with Jean-Luc and Peggy. It's probably a misspelling of Henry pronounced in French.

Henry Wu is the Jurassic Park character who figured out how to produce viable hybrid embryos.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Post by canucker2016 »

bluepeter wrote: post #259
philiplu wrote: post #223

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Or Puyallup, WA. Those two are definite shibboleth tests in the PNW.

Pend Oreille is the eastern WA test for western WA.

and for our eastern neighbours: Coeur d'Alene, Idaho (and Boise too)

My years of french class steered me wrong there.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Post by dathinab »

ryandrake wrote: post #123
dathinab wrote: post #78

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this isn't wrong but spelling and grammar still isn't a good indicator for expertise, intelligence or anything like that even in an academic context Mainly: 1. Dyslexia doesn't make you dump, just likely to misspell and a less likely to notice your misspelling. 2. When speaking about neurodivergence people mainly think about Autism or ADHD but sometimes just mean that your brain thinks in very different patters, this…

I think the grammar/spelling is just one (perhaps low-signal) sign. But a lot of these people really are not that intelligent. And not just the GlobalElite™. Think of the guy who owns the local car dealership or owns 20 laundromats in the surrounding 3 counties. These guys are not geniuses, either. They just happen to own things that make them rich. I worked with a tech founder at one point in my life, and I once hap…

not low-signal, but no sign at all

This isn't a defense of this people at all.

It is just also not an argument against their intellect either.

Just look at what they nonsense they say all the time, and how they arguments and reasoning is commonly full of hols and messy entangled problems often stump them.

Similar for many cases where it's publicly visible its very clear that their success story commonly highly relies on stuff like knowing the right people and luck of having the right think at the right time with the right supporter.

But it would be a mistake to assume that non of them are very intelligent (or that non are quite dump), that would run at risk of underestimating how dangerous they can be. Both in "clever dangerous" and "idiotic dangerous" ways.

The reason I care about this is because if you ignore the US for a moment in a lot of places the same kind of "all connections often little substance" elite exist, just with having bothered to learn to use "extra" eloquent language to the as arrogant if not even more arrogant look down on people.

Which brings us to another reason why it isn't a good indicator: In the same way that "elites" use eloquent language to differentiate them self form common people do the "elites" around the trump camp differentiate them-self by explicitly not using it.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Post by robhlt »

lumost wrote: post #209
radpanda wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't really see that as the same thing as what the article was pointing out. Those are shibboleths that only an insider would know. You have to get the pronunciation of Cholmondeley or Couch "right" to pass for an insider. The random misspellings, missing spaces, sloppy grammar, etc in the examples in the article seem different to me. Misspelling "en route" as "enriewu" doesn't show, "look, I know the secret count…

Or its a simple signifier that the author was human, and that a real person is trying to convince you of something. I've experimented with putting minor grammar mistakes into my work of the sort that would be frowned upon, but are not strictly invalid. The existence of any kind of mistake makes the work sound "human".

More like signaling that a specific human wrote it themselves instead of one of their human assistants. The article is mostly about emails from the Epstein files so non-human authorship wasn't really a possibility at the time they were written.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Post by k33n »

rexpop wrote: post #250
k33n wrote: post #138

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What's your point? That everyone with a lot of wealth lives exactly the same, and is comparable to Epstein? I'm not sure I understand.

I mean, yeah. Epstein isn't an abberation, he's typical C-level management. They say "power corrupts", but I think it warps social reality. They're all complicit in the maintainance of a political economy that facilitates the concentration of power in a way that obviates consent.

That's not an accurate interpretation of reality.

Re: Why the global elite gave up on spelling and grammar

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Post by ikr678 »

cobbzilla wrote: post #268

the all-lowercase thing was popular on the early internet. i sometimes slip into it; always thought of it as the written equivalent of dressing like a slacker- it signals a bit of laziness mixed with some nonconformity but maybe the elite use it differently

Disabling device keyboard profile settings/typing suggestions/spellcheck if you are say, a paranoid criminal, will also result in lowercase/missed punctuations as seen in the Epstein emails
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