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After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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This is what I don't understand about this policy. There's no way a senior has enough spare capacity to be the gate keeper on every PR made by AI below them. So now we are just making it so the senior people use more AI to keep up but now they're to blame for letting it happen. It sounds like a piss poor deal for seniors unless senior engineer now means professional code reviewer.

That's amazon in a nutshell though. Create conflicting metrics for performance, push credit up and responsibility down, punish everyone below you for not meeting the double standards

> Create conflicting metrics for performance, push credit up and responsibility down, punish everyone below you for not meeting the double standards

This resonates with my experience.

The only thing you forgot is that you can also use the 12^H^H 14 leadership principles to argue whatever you want (and then the opposite of what you argued last month, still using the same leadership principles).

Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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This “mandatory meeting” is just the usual weekly company-wide meeting where recent operational issues are discussed. There was a big operational issue last week, so of course this week will have more attendance and discussion. This meeting happens literally every week, and has for years. Feels like the media is making a mountain out of a mole hill here.

I am not in that specific meeting but it made me chuckle that a weekly ops meeting will somehow get media attention. It's been an Amazon thing forever. Wait until the public learns about CoEs!

A weekly ops meeting where they talk about ensuring PRs with AI contributions get extra scrutiny? I think that's significant news.

Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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A related Dirty Secret that's going to become clear from all this is that a very large proportion of code in the wild (yes, even in 2026—maybe not in FAANG and friends, IDK, but across all code that is written for pay in the entire economy) has limited or no automated test coverage, and is often being written with only a limited recorded spec that's usually fleshed out only to the degree needed (very partial) as a gi…

> better-specified software Code is the most precise specification we have for interfacing with computers.

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Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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From the amazon I know, people only care about a. not getting fired and b. promotions. For devs, the matrix looks like this: 1. Shipping: deliver tickets or be pipped. 2. Having Less comments on their PRs: for some drastically dumb reason, having a PR thoroughly reviewed is a sign of bad quality. L7 and above use this metric to Pip folks. 3. Docs: write docs, get them reviewed to show you're high level. Without AI, a…

> 2. Having Less comments on their PRs: for some drastically dumb reason, having a PR thoroughly reviewed I'm very far away from liking Amazon's engineering culture and general work culture, but having PRs with countless of discussions and feedback on it does signal that you've done a lot of work without collaborating with others before doing the work. Generally in teams that work well together and build great softwa…

Eh I feel like there are some features where you just have to get in the weeds to even design it and the code review itself is part of the process of designing/figuring out the edge cases.

Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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A related Dirty Secret that's going to become clear from all this is that a very large proportion of code in the wild (yes, even in 2026—maybe not in FAANG and friends, IDK, but across all code that is written for pay in the entire economy) has limited or no automated test coverage, and is often being written with only a limited recorded spec that's usually fleshed out only to the degree needed (very partial) as a gi…

> because the time will just go into tests that wouldn't otherwise have been written Writing tests to ensure a program is correct is the same problem as writing a correct program. Evaluating conformance is a different category of concern from ensuring correctness. Tests are about conformance not correctness. Ensuring correct programs is like cleaning in the sense that you can only push dirt around, you can't get rid…

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Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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It’s not false. But it’s also weaselly worded. Note that the article doesn’t say that he told staff they have to attend the meeting. It says he “asked” staff to attend the meeting. Which again, it’s really really normal for there to be an encouragement of “hey, since we just had an operational event, it would be good to prioritize attending this meeting where we discuss how to avoid operational events”. As for the se…

> senior engineers have always been required to sign off on changes from junior engineers. definitely a team by team question. if it was required it would be a crux rule that the code review isnt approved without an l6 approver.

It’s part of the change management process that all code is reviewed. This is needed as per several different compliance agreements. What’s probably happened is poor peer reviews from other junior engineers gets missed. That’s a lot of code reviews to send upstream.

Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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> It says he “asked” staff to attend the meeting Being "asked" by your boss to attend an optional meeting is pretty close to being required, it's just got a little anti-friction coating on it.

That really isn’t the culture at Amazon. There are all-team meetings that happen all the time, and every now and then there is a reminder that “hey we’re gonna be talking about an interesting topic so you might want to join”, but it is certainly not a mandate or expectation that everyone will join. Different companies have different cultures. Weird that people can’t grok this.

"If you could just go ahead and attend that meeting, that would be greaaaaaaat..."

"Did ya get the memo... about that meeting? I'll just have my secretary forward you another copy of that memo, OK? Yeaaaaaaah..."

Re: After outages, Amazon to make senior engineers sign off on AI-assisted changes

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That's not really what the headline attempts to communicate though. It specifically emphasizes "Mandatory" and "AI breaking things". Nobody was going to click on "Regularly scheduled Amazon staff meeting will include discussion on operational improvement"

> He asked staff to attend the meeting, which is normally optional. If I get a note from my boss like that, I consider it mandatory.

But it gets less mandatory the more layers up you go. If I get an email from an SVP that is CC: the entire division saying everyone should go to a meeting I will almost certainly be able to ascertain the contents of that meeting in 10 seconds from someone else who did attend
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