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Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by myrmidon » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:10 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #229

queenkjuul wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China produces a lot less carbon per capita than we do

Global warming doesn't care about 'per capita'. Edit: Individuals do not build coal power plants, utilities (and therefore, governments) do. India and China are continuing to build fossil fuel power generation. Global warming does not care about 'fairness', global warming cares about co2 PPM in the atmosphere. When we address climate change, we have to do so at the government level, or we mine as well not bother. The…

There is literally no charitable interpretation of this point.

How much of a problem any individuals CO2 emissions are is completely decoupled from what nation they live in, or how many people live in that nation specifically.

If you hypothetically split up Asia or the US into 100 smaller countries then local emissions are not suddenly more (or less) of a problem than the are now (duh).

And of course more people have more of an influence on global outcomes.

This whole argument makes about as much sense as demanding that black people in Europe should not pay any income tax, because the total tax income from black people in Europe is very low, and "national budget does not care about per capita".

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by queenkjuul » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:10 PM UTC

wing-_-nuts wrote: post #229

queenkjuul wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

China produces a lot less carbon per capita than we do

Global warming doesn't care about 'per capita'. Edit: Individuals do not build coal power plants, utilities (and therefore, governments) do. India and China are continuing to build fossil fuel power generation. Global warming does not care about 'fairness', global warming cares about co2 PPM in the atmosphere. When we address climate change, we have to do so at the government level, or we mine as well not bother. The…

The comment i replied to does

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:11 PM UTC

superxpro12 wrote: post #52

xyzelement wrote: post #5

As an observation, global warming has completely disappeared as social concern in the last few years. Great that someone is still publishing research, but it seems like being a climate scientist has gone from hottest field to nobody cares.

Seriously? I see anti-global-warming propaganda every day. Every f'ing time it snows someone has to snide in with "BuT I ThOuGhT GlObAl WaRmInG WaS ReAl!?!?!?!?!" And i have to take a breath.

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Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by curiousObject » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:11 PM UTC

jmye wrote: post #199

ecshafer wrote: post #134

The issue with any significant steps to curbing the climate or environmental impacts with laws or treaties is always: But the economy. It creates an incentive where someone doesn't follow the laws, burn everything they can to accelerate their economy, and take industry from other countries. My proposal is thus: create a supranational treaty organization with a EPA like authority(or whatever the European equivalent is…

My country mines rare earth metals. Your country processes them into computer chips. Joe and Jane's country want those computer chips to fuel their economy. Who's getting fined, here? Me, because mining the stuff is inherently dirty (without, probably, significant research and capital investment)? You, because you need the stuff to build other stuff? Joe and Jane because they're the ones ultimately driving the produc…

Rationally, you apply fines as close to the source as possible. Because they will pass those costs up the stack.

But the source could be the most likely place for corrupt reporting. Or: Maybe the source element is not dangerous but downstream by-products are.

Like you’ve said: It’s a problem.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by alansaber » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:11 PM UTC

Only good news these days eh

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by tlogan » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:12 PM UTC

The sad reality is that much of the climate work done in the West does not matter because China, India, and the rest of the world are not involved.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by spwa4 » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:12 PM UTC

ncr100 wrote: post #135

spwa4 wrote: post #80

Was anybody really expecting anything else? The only factor that would matter is if oil producing nations STOP producing oil entirely. Not reduce, not limit, stop. Same with coal and other small contributions. Note: limiting exports, CO2 limits in oil customer states, ... all of that just doesn't matter. And, obviously, this is just not on the table. There is no way these nations will make such a decision because wha…

Your initial question is a fantastic thought focus. The intention of the United States and the world is divided. We love our money too much to care about the Next generation, In my view.

"The intention of the United States and the world is divided."

What do you mean?

The intention of the United States is maximizing oil use.

The intention of the World is maximizing oil use. Even EU countries are panicking over maybe being forced to use just a little less oil.

So where do you see this difference? Clearly, the entire world agrees: global warming is less serious than higher prices on oil. Much less important.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by nyeah » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:12 PM UTC

bee_rider wrote: post #225

nyeah wrote: post #153

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ResearchGate isn't open access.

ResearchGate isn’t a journal, right? I think it is some sort of… pseudo-social-networking site for papers.

Right, it's not a journal.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by kergonath » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:12 PM UTC

serioussecurity wrote: post #161

luxuryballs wrote: post #137

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I’m out of the loop on researchgate, when you say “No need” is it like an archive.is? Why is it less desirable or, if I’m reading your tone correctly, a “backup option”?

They're a user hostile attempt to extract money from people. They make their website hard to use.

How so? I am not paying anything and I don’t have any problem getting full texts when the authors uploaded them. In fact, I just logged in and don’t see even the possibility to pay for anything there. I assume they monetise their database, but everything there is supposed to be publicly accessible anyway.

If I am not mistaken we can get documents without an account as well, unlike others.

Re: Global warming has accelerated significantly

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Post by asib » Fri, Mar 06, 2026, 4:13 PM UTC

socalgal2 wrote: post #196

asib wrote: post #176

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Developed rich countries are hurting. See the wildfires across North America, massive amounts of flooding across Europe, etc. Nothing will change until many of the global electorate stop burying their heads in the sand. These people don't change their minds until things affect them specifically. Then they change their mind, and all their former fellows tell them they're brainwashed. This doesn't change until nearly e…

What have you done? Why is it someone else’s problem?

I've voted for parties that care about addressing the climate catastrophe.

It's obviously someone else's problem if that someone refuses to accept there's a climate catastrophe.