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US tech firms pledge at White House to bear costs of energy for datacenters

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Post by dathinab »

adrianN wrote: post #219
dathinab wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The current US government is systematically attacking anything which tries to "reduce the effects of climate change" and claims it's mostly all a scam. So no. But what probably also isn't included but should is environmental damage. Running low quality "temp." gas turbines non stop isn't without filters etc. isn't just bad for the climate, it's a air pollution which can directly affect anyone in it's path with not on…

Acid rain and smog are not much of a concern with gas turbines. The most problematic exhaust is probably nitrous oxide.

it's an example for how environmental damages killed a lot of people not so long ago and people just "forget and ignore". I'm not saying it's the same kind of damage. It still is damage, and can kill.

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Post by ajam1507 »

terminalshort wrote: post #246
ajam1507 wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is an author fairly compensated when you torrent their book? Should we just stop paying for media because it's infinitely reproducible? Nothing physical is being stolen when a company makes a clone of a product based on another company's designs, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't have patent laws.

The author is not fairly compensated in that case, but if you buy the book, he is. If you bought books and learned to code from them and then went on to go found a startup that ended up being worth billions, you don't owe that author one dollar more than you already paid him when you bought his book. That's more like the AI case here.

Except the "person" reading the book is a corporation worth billions and you didn't get any money from them.

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Post by BizarroLand »

nDRDY wrote: post #251
BizarroLand wrote: post #207

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I think this is literally the most head in own ass stupid thing I've ever read on the internet.

Quite the opposite - I'm asking people to take a wider view of the changes that humankind is making to the planet. Given those changes, a viewpoint that concludes with people asking for vast numbers of trees to be cut down, burned (or charred, at least), and buried has some fundamental problems.

Your house is on fire. What is more important to you, putting out the fire or repainting the living room?

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Post by nDRDY »

BizarroLand wrote: post #263
nDRDY wrote: post #251

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quite the opposite - I'm asking people to take a wider view of the changes that humankind is making to the planet. Given those changes, a viewpoint that concludes with people asking for vast numbers of trees to be cut down, burned (or charred, at least), and buried has some fundamental problems.

Your house is on fire. What is more important to you, putting out the fire or repainting the living room?

Putting out the fire, yet I get people telling me all the time I need to buy lots of shiny new things to save the planet! (and cut down trees).

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Post by xnx »

adrianN wrote: post #47
fulafel wrote: post #12

Does it include externalities (co2 emissions)? Increasing natural gas generation is of course disastrous policy with a major death toll from the climate disaster, there needs to be a rampdown of fossils use and production.

The only realistic way to "bear the cost" of CO2 emissions is paying for getting atmospheric carbon back into the ground. Right now that seems difficult to do at scale. The best way I know is making charcoal and burying it. Offsetting 1kWh needs on the order of 200g of wood turned into charcoal and buried.

> The best way I know is making charcoal and burying it

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biochar, for those who have not heard of this.

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