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Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by miroljub »

mikestorrent wrote: post #178
intrasight wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really nuts how much RAM and CPU have been squandered. In, 1990, I worked on a networked graphical browser for nuclear plants. Sun workstations had 32 mb memory. We had a requirement that the infographic screens paint in less that 2 seconds. Was a challenge but doable. Crazy thing is that computers have 1000x the memory and like 10,000x the CPU and it would still be a challenge to paints screens in 2 seconds.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

> Isn't it time to throw the browser away, stop abusing HTML to make applications, and design something fit for purpose?

We had Flash for exactly that purpose. For all its flaws, it was our best hope. A shame Apple and later Adobe decided to kill it in favor of HTML5.

The second best bet was Java Applets, but the technology came too early and was dead before it could fly off.

Some may mention WebAssembly, but I just don't see that as a viable alternative to the web mess that we already have.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by asdff »

trvz wrote: post #15
OsrsNeedsf2P wrote: post #7

I recently upgraded from the Pixel 7 to the 10. Nothing but regret - the phone isn't worse, but it's not better either, and I had to reinstall everything. Why did I do this?

That’s on Google. iPhone 17 Pro and Pro Max are amazing upgrades.

Maybe for fortnite players. If you just call/text/email whats the point in upgrading? At this point I pretty much just ride out whatever iphone se I happen upon on deep discount until Apple finally walls me off from the OS version I need to access my bank account (thanks to very helpful flow of bank website forcing app store redirect to their app for mobile users). Then it's on to the next se.

Now that I think on it maybe I ought to just pay attention to jailbreakable OS version numbers again. If I stuck on one of those OS versions I could just spoof my user agent for the bank website with a jailbroken phone.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by asdff »

m-schuetz wrote: post #259
asdff wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are they not? Gui libraries are like button(function=myFunction). This isn't rocket surgery stuff here at least the gui tooling I've used.

Pretty much any non-web GUI framework I tried so far has either been terrible to set up, or terrible to deploy. Or both. Electron is stupidly simple. ImGUI is the single exception that has been simple to set up, trivial to deploy (there is nothing to deploy, including it is all that's needed), and nice to use.

Tkinter is easy too.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by homebrewer »

n8cpdx wrote: post #50
estimator7292 wrote: post #34

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I recently started learning how to do iOS apps for work and the short answer is: you don't. Apple seemingly wants all apps to be static jpegs that never need to connect to any data local or remote, and never do any processing. If you want to do something in the background so that your user can multitask, too damn bad. You can run in the background, for a non-deterministic amount of time. If you do that, iOS nags your…

You can get a brand new Mac for People develop for iOS because iOS users spend more money. End of story.

Depends on where you live. I haven't seen one for less than $1000, and that's for a five-year old model soon going out of support. Seems like a waste of money.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by prmph »

mikestorrent wrote: post #178
intrasight wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really nuts how much RAM and CPU have been squandered. In, 1990, I worked on a networked graphical browser for nuclear plants. Sun workstations had 32 mb memory. We had a requirement that the infographic screens paint in less that 2 seconds. Was a challenge but doable. Crazy thing is that computers have 1000x the memory and like 10,000x the CPU and it would still be a challenge to paints screens in 2 seconds.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

Nah, some fixes to HTML would go a long way to address these issues.

I agree we need in built-in controls, reasonably sophisticated, properly style-able with CSS. We also need typed JS in the browser, etc

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by ErneX »

homebrewer wrote: post #264
n8cpdx wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a brand new Mac for People develop for iOS because iOS users spend more money. End of story.

Depends on where you live. I haven't seen one for less than $1000, and that's for a five-year old model soon going out of support. Seems like a waste of money.

No Mac Minis there?

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by fsflover »

pjc50 wrote: post #253
mikestorrent wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

> Isn't it time to throw the browser away, stop abusing HTML to make applications, and design something fit for purpose? Great. How do you get all the hardware and OS vendors to deploy it for free and without applying their own "vetting" or inserting themselves into the billing?

It works with free software GNU/Linux repos.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by lpcvoid »

m-schuetz wrote: post #216
mikestorrent wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

> Isn't it time to throw the browser away, stop abusing HTML to make applications, and design something fit for purpose? Not going to happen until gui frameworks are as comfortable and easy to set up and use as html. Entry barrier and ergonomics are among the biggest deciding factors of winning technologies.

Man, you never used Delphi or Lazarus then. That was comfortable and easy. Web by comparison is just a jarring mess of unfounded complexity.

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by yread »

mikestorrent wrote: post #178
intrasight wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really nuts how much RAM and CPU have been squandered. In, 1990, I worked on a networked graphical browser for nuclear plants. Sun workstations had 32 mb memory. We had a requirement that the infographic screens paint in less that 2 seconds. Was a challenge but doable. Crazy thing is that computers have 1000x the memory and like 10,000x the CPU and it would still be a challenge to paints screens in 2 seconds.

Yes, the web was a mistake; as a distributed document reading platform it's a decent first attempt, but as an application platform it is miserable. I'm working on a colleague's vibe-coded app right now and it's just piles and piles of code to do something fairly simple; long builds and hundreds of dependencies... most of which are because HTML is shitty, doesn't have the GUI controls that people need built in, and al…

> sortable-and-filterable table

Just use jquery and this plugin, 7kB minified:

https://github.com/myspace-nu/jquery.fancyTable/blob/master/...

Re: Smartphone market forecast to decline this year due to memory shortage

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Post by pjc50 »

fsflover wrote: post #267
pjc50 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Isn't it time to throw the browser away, stop abusing HTML to make applications, and design something fit for purpose? Great. How do you get all the hardware and OS vendors to deploy it for free and without applying their own "vetting" or inserting themselves into the billing?

It works with free software GNU/Linux repos.

? On iOS?
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