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Re: Iran students stage first large anti-government protests since deadly crackdown

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Post by Razengan »

halflife wrote: post #236
mvdtnz wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Iran is totally and completely irrelevant to the lives of the vast majority of people in the West.

The country that’s a pillar of the Russo-Chinese axis, which controls vast amounts of oil, which can cripple a shipping channel that moves 20% of the worlds natural gas, which supplies high end drones to Russia and North Korean, which funds terrorist faction across the entire Middle East (that closed the Red Sea shipping lane), which operates terrorist cells in Europe. That Iran is irrelevant?

Oh please are we back in the 2000s all over again

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #219
SilverElfin wrote: post #140

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I thought the state’s supporters were actually very large in number and the dominant force in Iran. After all past protests, like about the woman who was disappeared and killed, were smaller and were suppressed quickly. What changed? Is it demographics - like are there larger numbers of young people who aren’t for a theocracy?

>What changed? Is it demographics - like are there larger numbers of young people who aren’t for a theocracy? Some internal factor opaque to western media. Their economy's in the shitter, perhaps. Or the so-called water shortage. Though what it could be exactly, that western intelligence wouldn't be willing to trumpet from the mountaintops, I could not say.

> Though what it could be exactly, that western intelligence wouldn't be willing to trumpet from the mountaintops

Germany used to have great Middle Eastern intel, but they either lost it or got better about leaks. American HUMINT in the Middle East is notoriously awful, so I'd err on the side of us being as confused as everyone else.

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Post by user3939382 »

If Iran bent the knee to the State Dept like Saudi etc we wouldn’t give a shit who they cracked down on. When they don’t play ball with our policy goals we’re super duper interested in how free they are. Nevermind that pesky 2014 Princeton study that proves our democracy to be a sham.

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Post by halflife »

Razengan wrote: post #261
halflife wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The country that’s a pillar of the Russo-Chinese axis, which controls vast amounts of oil, which can cripple a shipping channel that moves 20% of the worlds natural gas, which supplies high end drones to Russia and North Korean, which funds terrorist faction across the entire Middle East (that closed the Red Sea shipping lane), which operates terrorist cells in Europe. That Iran is irrelevant?

Oh please are we back in the 2000s all over again

What?

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Post by vcryan »

reliabilityguy wrote: post #223
C6JEsQeQa5fCjE wrote: post #213

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US intelligence assessments on the question of whether Iran is building one keep publicly coming out as negative. People who keep repeating that Iran is building one are people who want to see Iran torn apart. Had Iran ACTUALLY been working on one all these decades, we wouldn't be at war with them now because they would have the ultimate deterrence and we'd be too scared. The very fact that we are bombing them every…

US intelligence flip flopped on this issue every Friday. Given the high stakes situation, I personally believe that Iran did work on nuclear weapons. There is no reason whatsoever to enrich uranium beyond like 20% if its not for military purposes in such quantities. Saying that others are NPCs is interesting. How do you know that you are not an NPC?

I don't understand. If US, Israel, Pakistan, etc can all have nuclear weapons, why can't Iran?

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Post by halflife »

pessimizer wrote: post #248
hunterpayne wrote: post #170

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Iran is the major cause of political instability in the the ME. They are the primary funders for the 3 most active terrorist groups in the ME if not the world. Every single westerner pays more for things because of the instability Iran funds.

They are the only supporters of majority Shiite populations who live under western-supported Sunni and Wahabi dictators. They are a Shiite theocracy surrounded by hostile Western-supported Sunni theocracies. > Every single westerner pays more for things because of the instability Iran funds. This is simply a lie. Every single Westerner pays vastly more for things because they spend trillions propping up illegitimate…

What are you trying to say? That you rather have a non western aligned theocracy than an aligned one?

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Post by jfengel »

tachalorah wrote: post #52

CIA and Mossad with their usual hobby.

I'm sure they're both helping a best they can, but they are not ginning up opposition from whole cloth. Iranians have a very long list of grievances against a brutal regime.

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Post by hunterpayne »

tehjoker wrote: post #199

A reminder that American economic sanctions are a primary cause of the situation that causes protests against the Iranian government. Our government is attempting to destroy Iran, an independent nation that is not our enemy. When will American students stage a large scale anti-government protest against the regime? Oh right, the billionaires and zionist lobby cracked down on the encampments with the (violent) help of…

Liberal doesn't mean Democrat. And those Ivies largely purged anyone who was actually Liberal years ago. But sure, keep blaming the Jews, it doesn't at all make you look conspiratorial. I will never understand why extremist groups all have that in common.

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Post by Galaxeblaffer »

weakfish wrote: post #119
Galaxeblaffer wrote: post #78

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One big thing your missing is that there simply is no way imaginable that a regime change can happen without the US, it's simply impossible at this stage. I can certainly understand why many if not most Iranians want the US to intervene, it's simply the only way regime change is ever going to happen.w

I don’t necessarily contest that, but I also wouldn’t trust the current administration to be the ones to succeed in that undertaking in a way that promotes lasting peace in the country/region. And no, I wouldn’t trust Biden/Obama/Bush either.

Fair enough, and yes it might fail, but what i gather from all Iranians I've talked to (family), the consensus is that it can't get much worse than it is now, so they'd rather live with the consequences for even a small chance that things will be better.
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