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Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by culi »

roysting wrote: post #174
culi wrote: post #118

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It's wild that you think the problem with the US is too low of an incarceration rate. 25% of all prisoners in the world are in the US

Who do you think those people are that are incarcerated in the USA? I come across this rather frequently among people from sheltered backgrounds like those who graduated from mom and dad taking care of them, all the way through to Mega Corp/university taking care of them, and absolutely cannot fathom why everyone doesn’t just eat cake. I have a working theory that this effect, whatever one wants to call it, of people…

> Who do you think those people are that are incarcerated in the USA?

Say it then cowardly racist. Stop hiding behind rhetorical devices to justify an institution that has its historical origins in slave patrols

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by camillomiller »

lionkor wrote: post #167
camillomiller wrote: post #146

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Pretty clear already that Ycombinator runs this very site as a community fueled decoy for their actual values (or complete lack thereof).

Id argue they run this site as a forum for tech discussions, because that alone gives them a huge boost to their image and name recognition, without any need for meddling.

Well, that’s what I meant for community-fueled decoy. We’re all, me included, our own unique bredd of useful idiots.

Re: Across the US, people are dismantling and destroying Flock surveillance cameras

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Post by lozf »

lazide wrote: post #177
idle_zealot wrote: post #14

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The goal here by activists isn't to directly physically disarm every camera. Like with any act of protest, it's at least as much about the optics and influence of public opinion. Visibly destroying the units is more cathartic and spreads the message of displeasure better. Ultimately what needs to change is public perception and policy.

There has been a pattern in the UK of destroying speed cameras for the same reasons - including in some cases throwing an old car tire around the pole and setting it on fire. Seems to be getting more popular [ https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/antiulez-campaigners-v... ].

Those are not "speed" cameras, they're to enforce daily payment (or fines) for driving in "Ultra Low Emissions Zone" areas in non-compliant vehicles. The area covers all 32 London Boroughs, around 1,500 km² (580 square miles), - affecting approximately 9 Million people.

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Post by bigiain »

sdkfjhdsjk wrote: post #224
bigiain wrote: post #139

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Also here: "In NSW, paintball is classified as a "prohibited firearm" under the Firearms Act 1996. However, it can still be legally played under strict licensing conditions. Unlike in some states where it is more loosely regulated, players and operators in NSW must comply with a range of legal requirements to ensure safety and legality." These rules have changed, I think back before COVID they reclassified them as sp…

I remember reading about that back in the 90s as a kid here in the USA, in Action Pursuit Games magazine. They said semi-automatic paintball guns were illegal in Australia. I was like what kind of hellhole dystopia is that? Meanwhile at the local paintball field I remember this hillbilly had a fully automatic Angel when they came out. (The first electronic paintball gun.) He walked over to the treeline and emptied a…

> I was like what kind of hellhole dystopia is that?

Cynical answer: Not the kind of hellhole dystopia that has schoolkids shooting up schools twice a week.

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Post by sdkfjhdsjk »

bigiain wrote: post #264
sdkfjhdsjk wrote: post #224

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I remember reading about that back in the 90s as a kid here in the USA, in Action Pursuit Games magazine. They said semi-automatic paintball guns were illegal in Australia. I was like what kind of hellhole dystopia is that? Meanwhile at the local paintball field I remember this hillbilly had a fully automatic Angel when they came out. (The first electronic paintball gun.) He walked over to the treeline and emptied a…

> I was like what kind of hellhole dystopia is that? Cynical answer: Not the kind of hellhole dystopia that has schoolkids shooting up schools twice a week.

So your thesis is that this hillbilly was likely to take his fully automatic paintball gun and shoot up a school with it?

Or that his possession and use of this gun might somehow serve as a sort of "gateway drug" to Harder Weapons that he would then use to the same end?

Neither one appears to have actually happened. In fact, I've never known a single person who has been involved in a school shooting, or heard of one happening here at all, ever. It just doesn't happen, regardless of whatever is supposedly happening on the glowing box in the corner of everyone's living room that's always portraying doom and danger everywhere.

Indeed, I don't recall a single one of my paintball playing friends (who all nonchalantly used illegal in Australia and super dangerous semi-automatic paintball guns against each other) who later went on to be involved in any kind of gun related incident.

I'm sure you've got some kind of excellent response prepared however, so we will now hear the details of how wrong I am and how Paintball Guns Are In Fact Really Dangerous Because Reasons And the Australian Government Nannies Are Right.

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Post by Starman_Jones »

michaelmrose wrote: post #112
SoftTalker wrote: post #80

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The point of civil disobedience is to get arrested. That's what calls attention to the injustice of the thing being protested against.

The point of resistance is commonly to harm the counterparty in a fashion that the perpetrator finds morally acceptable such as to disincentivize them not convince them. Vietnamese vs US Grunts not cute useless protestors holding signs that threaten to hold different signs longer.

You're both partially right, and that highlights the difference between nonviolent and violent resistance. You are incorrect in saying that a resistance is always trying to disincentivize the counterparty. Even in your example, the NVA didn't overrun their counterparty (the US military); they convinced enough of the US voting public (which is very much a separate entity from the US military) that "Peace with honor" was a viable, preferable option.

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Post by beAbU »

rolph wrote: post #252
mock-possum wrote: post #250

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You mean a slingshot? (Or a trebuchet?)

in the UK a catapult [catty] is a slingshot.

Omg is that where the name comes from. In my language it's a "kettie".

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Post by beAbU »

jimnotgym wrote: post #172
vorpalhex wrote: post #46

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You want to fly a multi-hundred dollar device loaded with radios that constantly broadcasts out a unique ID and possibly your FAA ID and use it for crime? Or even better yet, get arrested halfway to trying to dip your drone into paint on a sidewalk? Just throw a rock at the stupid thing.

In 1950s UK every country kid had a catapult in their pocket. Maybe that is what we should do. Give the kids catapults and tell them not to use them on Flock cameras. That is usually effective at making kids so stuff

I was thinking the same thing, much cheaper than a paintball gun, and less conspicuous.

A well made catapult in the right hands with a good aim is deadly.

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Post by pixelmelt »

logankeenan wrote: post #49
vorpalhex wrote: post #46

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You want to fly a multi-hundred dollar device loaded with radios that constantly broadcasts out a unique ID and possibly your FAA ID and use it for crime? Or even better yet, get arrested halfway to trying to dip your drone into paint on a sidewalk? Just throw a rock at the stupid thing.

Do all drones do this now? Is this required by law for manufacturers to implement?

Had a friend who worked on designing systems to pick these signals up around airports

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Post by Nasrudith »

NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #144
leoh wrote: post #96

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What is crime anymore when a felon is the president?

What is a felony anymore when the felony is "submitted bad paperwork"?

And what was the paperwork about you disingenuous asshole?
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