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There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Trump in his first term gave the Pacific over to China, who now defines terms over there. In his second term, Trump is cutting the US out of leadership in Europe, leading to growing economic trade agreements that exclude the US. You seem to think these solid critiques about the inherent weakness of Trump are somehow mere partisanship, rather than the actual unwinding of US leadership around the world. I'm not part of…

If you think the world is shifting away from the United States, or that Trump isn’t having his way with virtually every trading partner on the map, then it seems you are falling victim to strong anti-US rhetoric. This rhetoric isn’t based in reality. The US leads the defense strategy of the entirety of Europe, and Europe has no other alternative. There may be some politicians that want to choose the US as “the loser”…

You throw around insults like "TDS," and try to say that a plain and calm stating of facts is "blurting," but is there even a single trading partner where Trump is having his way? He makes ridiculous demands, throws around tariffs, and at most he extracts a memorandum of understanding that maybe there will be a trade deal in the future. Trump promised something like 100 new trade deals last year in a matter of months, and long after the deadline where are the deals?

The clear facts are that the US has cheapened its word and made itself an embarrassment around the globe. China has completely dog walked Trump on tariffs and trade, devastating US farmers, and leading to far stronger ties between China and the rest of the world, not just with our former tight trading partner Canada, but with all the emerging economies around the world. The US is cutting itself out of the new economic order that is emerging from the energy transition to cheaper renewable energy, which will leave the US with sky-high energy prices while the rest of the world runs their economies cheaper, and with less inflation-inducing price shocks, on solar and grid storage.

I respond with these basic facts not because I think that you will believe anything, but because the obvious falsehoods that you are repeating should not stand unanswered by the reality that we can all see in the world.

> There may be some politicians that want to choose the US as “the loser”. But that’s just not really an option given the size of our economy and the size of our military.

The only politicians that wants to choose the US as the loser are those following the dictates of Trump, by weakening our gloabl position. The size of our economy and military are not enough of a draw to keep us as the leader through sheer domination. And in fact pretending that "domination" is what made the US strong is the exact sort of weak person's idea of a strong man. The US is handing away all its leadership and power by trying to force what it does not have the ability to force, trying to force what would instead be freely given! It's utter insane behavior of a nation, and indicates just how little the Trump administration understands of US power around the world. The US is not a mob boss, we are (were?) a leader that attracted support because we were a shining example of what a country could be. When we act like bullies we throw away all that power, because we can not fight the entire world with our military, and our economy is not nearly big enough to overcome bullying behavior.

Edit: an as for an example just this morning of how Trump is making the US weaker, the UK is not allowing the US to use bases for attacks on Iran, which is leading to other threats from Trump that further push the UK away and make the US weaker on the global stage. Nearly every single day the US is becoming weaker because of this sort of weak behavior. https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/trump-chagos-is...

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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No. Last 45 years.

December 2025 was the 5th warmest December since records began in 1850, with an anomaly of +1.05°C above the C20th baseline : https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/g... January 2026 was the 5th warmest January since records began in 1850, with an anomaly of +1.12°C above the C20th baseline: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202601 The anomaly for the first two weeks of February 2026 w…

I live in parts that in this map https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/inline-images/... are marked as cooler than average.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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1/4 the population. Per capita we are 65% worse not considering how much of China's pollution is on our behalf

Yeah, and don't even get me started on historic emissions. China has only produced significant CO2/capita in the last decade. The US and Europe are responsible for the accumulated GHG that have gotten us into the current mess. We blew nearly the entire CO2 "budget" for keeping us under 2C of warming, just by ourselves, so it's kinda odd to be pointing fingers at the foreigners who are just now halfway catching up to…

But those historic emissions have also produced scientific and engineering progress that other developing nations got to piggyback off of for their development.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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December 2025 was the 5th warmest December since records began in 1850, with an anomaly of +1.05°C above the C20th baseline : https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/access/monitoring/monthly-report/g... January 2026 was the 5th warmest January since records began in 1850, with an anomaly of +1.12°C above the C20th baseline: https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202601 The anomaly for the first two weeks of February 2026 w…

I live in parts that in this map https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/sites/default/files/inline-images/... are marked as cooler than average.

You were talking about "global warming" in a thread explicitly discussing how "Earth is warming".

Variations in regional weather are something else entirely.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Your analogy doesnt work, becaue the earth has been warmer than it is now several times in the past. so the increased temperature is within the range of normal temperatures. The problem is not that the earth is warming, it is that it is warming at an artificially increased rate.

The rate of warming is a problem (i.e.: it determines what generations of humans are going to see this), but the major problem is the warming itself, or rather the change. We (humanity) have gotten comfortable with the way things are, and a change in that is going to mean that things are going to change for us, and we don't like change. Most of our biggest cities are all close to the coast and will be subject to mass…

The warming is definitely not the problem (for the earth itself), only for the human race of which I care very little for.

Many different groups of large animals have lived and died off over the ages. It will happen again many times after humans are gone.

I personally welcome nuclear war and anything else which will help wipe out the human race. In a few million years the earth will move on to its next rulers and we will be a distant memory.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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"Climate Change" implies that some sort of "constant climate" is even attainable, irrespective of desirable.

It implies change over a couple human lifetimes. Change faster than has ever occurred before, and due to human activity.

It doesnt really imply that though does it. It just means the climate is changing. IMO this is why there was a big pushback against it for a long time, the term used to describe it does not infer anything wrong.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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Reposting a previous comment... What is generally not understood is that our current icehouse phase is rare. 'A "greenhouse Earth" is a period during which no continental glaciers exist anywhere on the planet... Earth has been in a greenhouse state for about 85% of its history. 'Earth is now in an icehouse state, and ice sheets are present in both poles simultaneously... Earth's current icehouse state is known as the…

This only really matters if you think humans are really important and should exist forever no matter what.

I personally think that humans are a blot on the earths history, and soon should be wiped out to let nature and evolution retake its course. From this perspective we are just following the natural course of the earth, and will be made extinct just like other various groups of large animals on this planet in the past.

We may require the rare climate, but other species certainly dont and more will evolve to take the place of humans when we cannot survive on these planets conditions any longer.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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post #49

Reposting a previous comment... What is generally not understood is that our current icehouse phase is rare. 'A "greenhouse Earth" is a period during which no continental glaciers exist anywhere on the planet... Earth has been in a greenhouse state for about 85% of its history. 'Earth is now in an icehouse state, and ice sheets are present in both poles simultaneously... Earth's current icehouse state is known as the…

Previous climate changes happened over tens of thousands of years. This one is happening in decades. It's the speed, not the magnitude that matters. Change faster than evolution and migration will destroy ecosystems.

Yeah, I wonder how fast Chicxulub affected the earth when the majority of large dinosaurs were wiped out.

The earth survived and evolved another set of new large animal masters. The beauty and diversity of nature we see around us has all evolved after several extinction level events which have all very rapidly killed ecosystems and changed the earths climate.

It will do the same again after all humans are gone. This is the outcome I am hoping comes sooner rather than later.

Re: There is unequivocal evidence that Earth is warming (2024)

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I am fortunate to have lived on the water for over 20 years in a location, East Coast USA Chesapeake Bay, that has scientifically documented many aspects of the climate changes that my own eyes have witnessed and photographed here at my home. I can walk out in my back yard and see these changes in this moment of time as they now exist and all of these changes have only become visible to me here in the last 10 years.…

Change is good and healthy!

Trying to keep the planet exactly the same just because we want it to for the benefit of our delicately balanced societies is a futile task which will always end in catasrophe.

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