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I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Re: I guess I kinda get why people hate AI

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Post by im3w1l »

vpribish wrote: post #161
im3w1l wrote: post #86

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When trying to look infer people's motives don't just look at what they are doing. Look also at what they aren't doing. Alternatives they had and rejected. If marketing it was the sole objective there are many other stories they could have told, but didn't.

what are a couple of those alternatives?

They can market it like a normal product. Say how good it is and how much more productive people will be and what kind of capabilities it will unlock without mentioning any downside. To investors: How it's a paradigm shift, with a winner takes all dynamic and how important it is to be first.

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Post by ponector »

verdverm wrote: post #52
mullingitover wrote: post #19

AI is scary, but look on the bright side: Whenever there is a massive paradigm shift in technology like we have with AI today, there are absolutely massive, devastating wars because the existing strategic stalemates are broken. Industrialized precision manufacturing? Now we have to figure out who can make the most rifles and machine guns. Industrialized manufacturing of high explosives? Time to have a whole world war…

Where were the massive devastating wars last time this happened with the internet and mobile phone?

There were no massive devastative wars back then simply because people who went through WW2 were still alive and kept political power.

Hard times create strong men.

Strong men create good times.

Good times create weak men.

Weak men create hard times.

Some people say ww3 had already started.

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Post by NoGravitas »

bpodgursky wrote: post #26
mjr00 wrote: post #3

> Microsoft’s AI CEO is saying AI is going to take everybody’s job. And Sam Altman is saying that AI will wipe out entire categories of jobs. ANd Matt Shumer is saying that AI is currently like Covid in January 2020—as in, “kind of under the radar, but about to kill millions of people”. > I legitimately feel like I am going insane when I hear AI technologists talk about the technology. They’re supposed to market it.…

You guys can hate him, but Alex Karp of Palantir had the most honest take on this recently which was basically: "Yes, I would love to pause AI development, but unless we get China to do the same, we're f***, and there's no advantage unilaterally disarming" (not exact, but basically this) You can assume bad faith on the parts of all actors, but a lot of people in AI feel similarly.

> You can assume bad faith on the parts of all actors, but a lot of people in AI feel similarly.

Or claim to.

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Post by notanastronaut »

queenkjuul wrote: post #192
dgxyz wrote: post #130

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On localised context stuff, yeah no. I spent a couple of hours rewriting something Claude did terribly a couple of weeks back. Sure it solved the problem, a relatively simple regression analysis, but it was so slow that it crapped out under load. Cue emergency rewrite by hand. 20s latency down to 18ms. Yeah it was that bad.

For me it's just wildly unpredictable. Sometimes it gets a small task perfectly right in one shot, sometimes it invents an absurd new way to be completely wrong. Anyone trusting it to just "do its own thing" is out if their mind

I found that unpredictability to be interesting. I'm doing super simple projects with these models and a year, or even six months ago, it would give me a block of code and as soon as you ran it, it would fail. And you'd have to paste the error in and keep going until it was smoothed out.

The other day though I asked for something simple and it one-shotted the problem. To me, that's new.

I know this success was a statistical outlier, however. I grok how to use it and to not trust it. I'm just shocked so many people smart people fail to understand it.

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Post by NoGravitas »

moron4hire wrote: post #227
steve1977 wrote: post #189

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> all white collar jobs collapse Then everything collapses. The carpenter will also be out of work if more than half of his client base cannot afford his work anymore.

This idea doesn't sit well with me. Like, I recognize it very likely could happen, but it feels kind of like a dumb magic trick. Like learning economy goes up because people generally believe economy should go up. If everyone is out of a job, then what is the point of the economy? Who is doing what work for whom? If nobody can afford anything, then why are we even doing this? And, at some point, needs have to be met.…

> If everyone is out of a job, then what is the point of the economy? Who is doing what work for whom? If nobody can afford anything, then why are we even doing this?

This kind of question is called "political economy". It used to be basically synonymous with "economics", but after one 19th century economist wrote a very detailed and convincing study that provided solid answers that were not politically acceptable, economists turned away from political economy, and declared this kind of question out of scope, and focused on working out all the mathematical details of a political economy in which all those questions had, as you say, fairytale answers.

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Post by NoGravitas »

notpachet wrote: post #229
heraldgeezer wrote: post #164

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I do love that. My career is built on people not knowing how to Google lmao (IT) To most people, AI is chatGTP. Maybe Gemini. Claude? No idea. VS Code, Cursor, Antigraivity, Claude Code? Blank stares. Same as when the computer came, some will fall behind. Excel monkeys copy pasting numbers will go, copywriters, written word jobs = already gone. Art for simple images = AI now all done by one person. Unless you want a…

> Unless you want a Soviet system where jobs are kept to keep people busy. There's an argument that even under capitalism, a lot of jobs still only exist in order to keep people busy.

Bullshit Jobs, by David Graeber.

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Post by NoGravitas »

verdverm wrote: post #52
mullingitover wrote: post #19

AI is scary, but look on the bright side: Whenever there is a massive paradigm shift in technology like we have with AI today, there are absolutely massive, devastating wars because the existing strategic stalemates are broken. Industrialized precision manufacturing? Now we have to figure out who can make the most rifles and machine guns. Industrialized manufacturing of high explosives? Time to have a whole world war…

Where were the massive devastating wars last time this happened with the internet and mobile phone?

Yugoslav civil war and Bosnian genocide. Rwandan civil war and Tutsi genocide. US invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq. Syrian civil war and Yazidi genocide. Russian invasion of Ukraine. Ongoing genocide in Palestine suddenly becoming more intense in Gaza.

Future generations will call this ongoing conflict starting in the 90s the Eugenics Wars.

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Post by NoGravitas »

atemerev wrote: post #70
mullingitover wrote: post #19

AI is scary, but look on the bright side: Whenever there is a massive paradigm shift in technology like we have with AI today, there are absolutely massive, devastating wars because the existing strategic stalemates are broken. Industrialized precision manufacturing? Now we have to figure out who can make the most rifles and machine guns. Industrialized manufacturing of high explosives? Time to have a whole world war…

I am absolutely sure that WW3 is inevitable, for these exact reasons. Later, the survivors will be free to reorganize the society.

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