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Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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This is still unthinkable to me. Trading that much privacy for a little bit of convenience? How does it not make you uncomfortable to know that every conversation in your house is live streamed to someone else's computer?

What privacy am I giving up? You start with all these judgement questions without explaning.

An internet-connected device in your home which is always listening.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

#262

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This is still unthinkable to me. Trading that much privacy for a little bit of convenience? How does it not make you uncomfortable to know that every conversation in your house is live streamed to someone else's computer?

Yeah I'm definitely in the "I keep my laptop powered down and in a Faraday cage" camp so I guess a lot of these products aren't really aimed at me.

I have a good Faraday bag. When I am chilling and talking with friends I have them power off their phones and put them in the bag. :)

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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post #85

> Following a comprehensive review, we determined the planned Flock Safety integration would require significantly more time and resources than anticipated. That doesn’t sound like “we’re cancelling this because our customers let us know loud and clear that they were ethically against this”. If the only thing keeping them from doing this is time and money, what guarantee do we have that they won’t do it again if time…

That public statement could easily be an open negotiation tactic saying they'll do it, but want more money to do it. Especially if it is gov't money which would be paying for that feed.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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I worked across several facilities and obviously cannot talk specifics about those. It is public knowledge that one of them housed a large metro area's main ISP "meet-me room." During Snowden revelations I'd already been apprenticing for years; nothing Edward documented surprised me . I'd literally walk around our 500,000sqft elevated floors knodding my head [none of this exists, officially] . ---- Nothing is as it s…

> PO Box in profile Pretty sure government agencies will have no trouble finding you from that bit alone, and then tracking your movements is trivial. I mean, you have to show up and check the box periodically..

I am already found — not hiding — just have to follow their rules.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9562900 > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27757258 >

Good idea. Thanks.

One other, which captures the sentiments in this case better (I was going to edit my parent, but you've already replied):

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25813319>

Appreciated.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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post #24

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I worked across several facilities and obviously cannot talk specifics about those. It is public knowledge that one of them housed a large metro area's main ISP "meet-me room." During Snowden revelations I'd already been apprenticing for years; nothing Edward documented surprised me . I'd literally walk around our 500,000sqft elevated floors knodding my head [none of this exists, officially] . ---- Nothing is as it s…

Yeah well aware of that stuff here. Two companies I worked at had entirely airgapped infrastructure because they knew the adversarial situation wasn't winnable. Everything was checked for implants at goods in. It's shocking some of the shit that goes on. I run grey man where I can. Stuff that's private stays private. Paper and physical security is still good.

>physical security is still good

Possession is nine-tenths of the law (e.g. physical bullion; offline crypto keys; bullets; counter-bugging).

>checked for implants ... shocking some of the shit that goes on

I've seent some bullshit, myself — "shipping delays" — smelt their pure evil. Our facilities necessarily existed to be networked; but definitely had isolated departments.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

#267
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Doesn't matter, I've come to the conclusion I'll never buy into one these networks. There's a reason "security" cameras were always on "closed circuit", there's no need give these companies money.

I've had a couple Ring cams for years. I hate the network, hate having to pay for the cloud storage, I've just been too lazy to research self-hosted alternatives. Is there solution you'd recommend that's relatively polished and easy to use?

I bought a house that had 2 ring cameras installed. After I heard about the flock deal, I simply removed them and have no exterior cameras.

I run frigate for some interior cameras (cheap esp32s) to watch my 3d printer, etc. It's been stable and easy to use for me, but I can't comment on using it for actual surveillance.

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

#268
post #83

Frigate NVR + Amcrest cameras. 100% local, private, on-device AI object recognition and classification. Can use a Google Coral USB TPU to speed that up. Runs on hardware as modest as a Raspberry Pi.

For a everyday person putting a camera on their front door, what does AI object recognition do for them?

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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I worked across several facilities and obviously cannot talk specifics about those. It is public knowledge that one of them housed a large metro area's main ISP "meet-me room." During Snowden revelations I'd already been apprenticing for years; nothing Edward documented surprised me . I'd literally walk around our 500,000sqft elevated floors knodding my head [none of this exists, officially] . ---- Nothing is as it s…

> I no longer carry a cell phone. I'm not quite there yet, but after Netanyahu made that comment like "if you have a phone you're carrying a little piece of Israel with you" right after the pager attack stuff.. I keep the phone in the back of my backpack away from my meat bits.

>no cell phone

A one-way beeper allowed me to phase out mobile phone usage. Obviously presents inconveniences, but I'm semi-retired with no rush to be anywhere. Bonus health points: no locally-generated EMRadiation.

[•] My provider (USA): https://pagersdirect.net/>

If you use numeric-only paging, bots haven't figured out how to SPAM, yet. Also available is alphanumeric email-to-page; two-way pagers also exist (but why?).

Re: Ring cancels its partnership with Flock Safety after surveillance backlash

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post #95

Doesn't matter, I've come to the conclusion I'll never buy into one these networks. There's a reason "security" cameras were always on "closed circuit", there's no need give these companies money.

I've had a couple Ring cams for years. I hate the network, hate having to pay for the cloud storage, I've just been too lazy to research self-hosted alternatives. Is there solution you'd recommend that's relatively polished and easy to use?

Currently Eufy, before that, Arlo.

But the goal posts are always moving so you have to be prepared to abandon and move on.

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