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Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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I get what you want, its pretty sophisticated and yes probably a huge added value if it works reliably. And there is no fucking way I want that in my life or my family's lives, ever. I will fight this very actively, with my wallet, voting and voice. Thats far beyond 1984 and at this point, in 2026, we know all that info will be weaponized against me, will try to manipulate me into decisions I would not do otherwise,…

You're here, right? How much of your life is already stored on digital devices one warrant away from the state? I read your comment as someone from the 80s complaining about digitalization and it all applied. And yet here we are, my WHOLE photo library on my phone, most of communication with everyone on my phone, and AI isn't even part of it.

Thats your phone, I have no cloud storage and no most of my photos are not on my phone. Its not my first nor second account here, I don't care about some meaningless reward points. Same goes for everything else, very little of my life is stored digitally and connected/shared to internet. I see simply no reason for that, not cruising on some paranoia.

Its a fight worth fighting or behavior to adhere to, for me. Natural and logical. You seemingly gave up, thats fine as long as you are happy with your choices and consequences.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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I feel like the difference between Steve Jobs’ and Tim Cook’s leadership styles is that Cook is really good at optimizing existing processes, but does not have the vision to capitalize on what’s next. Apple got into the smartphone game at the right time with a lot of new ideas. But whatever the next big shift in technology is, they will be left behind. I don’t know if that is AI, but it’s clear that in AI they are al…

i have said it before: the Vision Pro with Mac screen linking is a tease for a complete Mac-superior spacial interface. The new high end device from Apple for the future. An interface that levels up a MacBook Pro’s or Studio’s power and productivity.

Except no. After getting the hardware right, Tim gave us an another iOS toy / media kiosk (in 3D!) for $3500.

I would have paid $5000 if it was the new developer friendly, macOS spacial, pro software, room-scale interface machine.

I would have thought Tim Cook would have been proud to push the product line / user interface, bicycle-for-the-mind bar higher during his tour of duty. An historic computing advancement.

But I guess raising the media kiosk, novelty apps and purchases, third party creator tax, service subscriptions and scammy ads with no ad-free tier revenue bar, is what he wants to be remembered for.

Re: Apple's latest attempt to launch the new Siri runs into snags

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Actually I would like see a post-mortem that showed where all the money actually went; they somehow spent ~85x of what RSI has raised for Star Citizen, and what they had to show for it was worse than some student projects I've seen. Were they just piling up cash in the parking lot to set it on fire?

At least part of the funding went to research on hard science related to VR, such as tracking, lenses, CV, 3D mapping etc. And it paid off, IMO Meta has the best hardware and software foundation for delivering VR, and projects like Hyperscape (off-the-shelf, high-fidelity 3D mapping) are stunning. Whether it was worth it is another question, but I would not be surprised is recycled to power a futuristic AI interface…

The sad part about this fact is that the tech is mated to a completely rotten ecosystem. If it were sold off I'd be excited to try it.

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That is a delusional take on why millions continue to purchase Apple products and services. They expect Apple to provide services that work well and are not willing to put up with the terrible products other companies produce.

That is even more delusional than the parent comment. There is no dialectic law of business that guarantees a better experience with a competitor's product. If you traded your Nintendo Switch for a gaming iPad, for example, you'd be making a horrible mistake. The iPad's presence as a gaming machine is synonymous with online gambling. If Apple's products and services were heads-and-shoulder above their competition, we…

There are only two real choices in mobile.

Simple diversity of what people want means lots of people buy Apple because it is better for them. It isn't like anyone gets what they really want across many features, whatever they buy.

And iPad's are optimized for different uses than the switch. Those are entirely different form factors. (You can turn an iPad mini into a switch like device with controller add ons. But those are add ons so the software does not put that form factor first.)

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I think you’re underestimating or not understanding why Macs have taken off so much for AI. It has nothing to do with fanboys shilling for Apple. You can get a MBP today with 128GB of unified memory or a Mac Studio with 512GB of unified memory. Then you get to run MacOS, which is vastly superior to Windows for AI productivity and far more accessible/convenient than Linux even today. There’s a reason so many AI apps a…

Local AI is very limited and mostly a waste of time/capital compared to subscribing to access the good stuff provided by the key players. But by all means, throw more money at Apple for a problem they can't even solve themselves. If AI was that good on Apple hardware, they wouldn't need to buy access from their competitors to finally make Siri not completely useless.

Your statements are a couple months out of date. The space is evolving rapidly. It's definitely not a cost-efficient approach today, but models like Kimi K2.5 can be run on dual 512GB Mac Studios with performance rivaling (though still not fully matching) cloud frontier models. That's $20k of hardware, so it's certainly not going to be common today. My point is more about the trend: hardware to run serious models is starting to become more affordable, and open weight models are slowly but surely closing the gap with cloud models. Project this forward in time a couple years, and I think you'll be surprised how many folks will be interested in running AI locally outside of cloud environments. This trajectory will also intersect and interact with the trajectory of advertising and other monetization methods with cloud-based vendors necessarily becoming far more aggressive over time.

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Right or wrong, at least he takes risks. Apple Vision Pro was launched two years too early, but you can’t say that he just realized on existing products.

Was he taking risks or just reactionary after Facebook going all-in on the Metaverse (and by the time the product was done, the Metaverse was pretty dead already)?

Have you used either one for long periods of time? Both are revolutionary and were worth the risk. I don’t feel it was reactionary

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And yet 2.35 billion Apple devices are in use and growing. You may be the outlier.

I guess that if I ask you for a good burger, you will point me at a McDonald's. They have so many customers, truly a marker of quality.

Ok, which system has more viruses devoted to it?

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I guess that if I ask you for a good burger, you will point me at a McDonald's. They have so many customers, truly a marker of quality.

Ok, which system has more viruses devoted to it?

Most definitely Windows, but that's basically a factor of their past hegemony.

Hilariously, you are going to argue that Apple is good because they sell a lot of stuff, but somehow Microsoft is bad because they sell a lot of stuff (a lot more, in fact).

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Local AI is very limited and mostly a waste of time/capital compared to subscribing to access the good stuff provided by the key players. But by all means, throw more money at Apple for a problem they can't even solve themselves. If AI was that good on Apple hardware, they wouldn't need to buy access from their competitors to finally make Siri not completely useless.

Your statements are a couple months out of date. The space is evolving rapidly. It's definitely not a cost-efficient approach today, but models like Kimi K2.5 can be run on dual 512GB Mac Studios with performance rivaling (though still not fully matching) cloud frontier models. That's $20k of hardware, so it's certainly not going to be common today. My point is more about the trend: hardware to run serious models is…

I'm not contesting that AI will become worthwhile on local hardware at some point. With software optimization and hardware costs falling over time, that's pretty much a given.

But I'm arguing that it's not going to be worthwhile doing on Apple hardware. GPU sharding is already a thing for PCs, and you don't need to stupidly buy multiple full computers for it to work.

Apple has put themselves into a corner with their Apple Silicon strategy. It's good for efficiency and thus quite nice for mobile usage, but it makes no sense for desktops that do not need to be power/space constrained.

Their GPUs are still weak, and their strategy of gluing 2 together gives poor results in general workloads. They are limited by the die size and the RAM bandwidth they can allocate to the whole thing because of physics.

If Apple manages to get good results by aggregating multiple computers, PCs will get even better results by using multiple GPUs in the same box, interconnected by the PCIe bus, which will always be faster than Thunderbolt no matter what, because of physics. In fact, they could even come up with a new interconnect if need be.

There is just no realistic way for Apple to become a dominant player in AI. They cannot compete properly on the hardware side because they won't get the cash flow/key players NVidia and AMD are getting, and they cannot compete properly on software because it will always be ports of stuff made to run on better/faster hardware. They'll lose AI basically for the same reason they have lost gaming: uncompetitive performance for the price. People who actually want to do stuff care less about how things look and a lot more about how good/fast they run.

And whenever datacenters start offloading older GPUs, their price will fall, making it the cheapest way to do local AI. Apple hardware keeps a stupidly high price even when it's completely obsolete because of the status it confers; it will never be cost competitive.

It's basically a replay of their PPC mistake, where they thought they could compete by going at it alone but in the end fell pretty hard because they couldn't compete against the volume PCs were getting.

Now Apple has money but cannot attract enough talent because they have no vision, and the management style is basically mean girls running the show.

You are arguing about purchasing a solution that would cover 8 years of top-tier AI subscription. Seriously, who in their right mind would do that? Apple hardware for AI makes no sense; either you have prosumer-level needs that are going to be served just fine with cheaper hardware (like, for example, Ryzen AI) or you have large needs, and investing in a real AI solution is going to be better because it's going to be much faster. Being able to fit large models is useless if they run too slow.

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