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Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by mixmastamyk »

toephu2 wrote: post #135
nilamo wrote: post #129

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That's beside the point? Gaining security by losing freedom was always on the table. What's interesting is the cultural shift toward not caring about losing freedom.

Everything I want to do in public I can still do. What "freedom" is lost? I gain security and lose no freedoms (unless you are doing something illegal). When property crime is up 53%.. plenty of people are willing to lose "freedom" whatever you are referring to, in exchange for safety.

The Stasi were "tough on crime" too, back when that was expensive. How quickly we forget. Well, you're welcome to find a panopticon to live it, but excuse other for not finding it a good tradeoff.

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izacus wrote: post #119
awkward wrote: post #106

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To be fair that's more than a little bit present in most superhero media.

The whole idea about any superhero media is a special dude going on a violent spree because the authorities (in their eyes) can't do their job properly. The whole concept is anti-government and society as a whole.

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Post by mystraline »

cluckindan wrote: post #201
chatmasta wrote: post #122

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That system is nothing compared to the geolocation databases curated by Apple and Google, with GPS sensors combined with Wi-Fi wardriving, IMEI tracking, cell tower handoffs, and the rest of the insane amount of telemetry they collect collect in real time. And that’s before even considering BLE and the Find My network. Imagine the “God mode” dashboards they could have in Cupertino (or more likely, in Mountain View).

Imagine a Google Maps / Google Earth where you can see everyone’s location and identity in real time, with tagging/targeting/following capabilities and quick links to thorough personal profiles.

Or Palantir of NOTHANKS.

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Post by rpdillon »

slg wrote: post #176
mrob wrote: post #142

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Starship Troopers (the movie) is a terrible example of satire because it fails to show anything substantially bad. When you present a society that's more ethical than real life, nobody's going to care if some people wear uniforms that look a bit like Nazi uniforms. There is a genuine existential risk, and it's addressed in the best way possible. Military slavery ("conscription") is more evil than disenfranchisement,…

This is all intentional. The film is emulating the type of film that would be produced by this fascist regime, of course it isn't going to include proof of the fascists being wrong. But we also don't see any evidence in support of their claims of an "existential threat" beyond the fascists claiming there is one. And since it's from the fascist perspective, the lack of evidence justifying their actions ends up support…

For fellow HN'ers reading this epically long back and forth:

sig appears to be taking the more mainstream stance that Starship Troopers is satire. This is reinforced my popular interpretations from, say, Wikipedia, but refuted by others, like say, IMDB.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_Troopers_(film)

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0120201/

mrob is part of the coalition (that included many critics when the film was released) that asserts the film has no elements that are satirical. I admit pointing to specifics that show the satire is tough. "Do you want to know more?" was the biggest tipoff to me.

But my point is that this argument is still going on in wider society. Lots of people say satire, and lots don't. But the balance say it is:

https://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2013/11/-e...

https://screenrant.com/starship-troopers-movie-meaning-fasci...

From Wikipedia:

> Since its release, Starship Troopers has been critically re-evaluated, and it is now considered a cult classic and a prescient satire of fascism and authoritarian governance that has grown in relevance.

Re: Amazon Ring's lost dog ad sparks backlash amid fears of mass surveillance

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

rconti wrote: post #248
pibaker wrote: post #76

There would be less backlash to the Ring ad if the ad was honest about how people actually use it. Show us porch pirates, burglars and stupid neighbor who backs into your car being caught on camera. But instead, they have to come up with something "wholesome" like finding your lost doggo. The wholesomeness is so forced and cringe that it makes you think they have something to hide. It almost feels like the people who…

> Show us porch pirates, burglars and stupid neighbor who backs into your car being caught on camera. This is what their ads have been showing for the last many years. The dog thing is the new feature they're hawking.

You can use this to track down the guy who just stole your Amazon package and is still making the rounds in your hood.

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Post by seanmcdirmid »

rootusrootus wrote: post #182
HiPhish wrote: post #159

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> porch pirates It absolutely boggles my mind that it's legal in the US for a deliverer to just leave a package out in the open for anyone to pick up and consider it "delivered". Might as well just throw it out of the window of your car, it has the same chance of getting picked up by the recipient. Where I live the package has to be handed over to the recipient. If the recipient is not available it will be handed ove…

Do you live somewhere with high crime? The reason deliveries work this way in the US is that porch pirates are uncommon. There is a flurry of them during the holidays, but even then, the vast majority of deliveries are just fine. > What are you going to do with that information? Nothing, because by the time I look at my doorbell camera I would already have told the shipper the package was swiped and they will have sh…

If you live somewhere with high property crime and a large fent problem, the problem isn’t that uncommon. But I have lots of cameras and yell them off (and pick up deliveries quickly).

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Post by duskdozer »

janalsncm wrote: post #169
warkdarrior wrote: post #154

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You were recorded smoking marijuana, an illegal drug at the federal level. You were recorded walking into an abortion clinic, although face recognition identified as a resident of a state where abortion is illegal.

The solution is to change the laws, not to stop enforcing them. Otherwise this is basically just giving up on the concept of having laws.

The point is to maintain pressure so that even when the law becomes unjust, people aren't immediately harmed.
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