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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by VBprogrammer »

mmooss wrote: post #249
niemandhier wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> Western liberal democracies just rarely use it. Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process. > Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. Though things like that can happen, which are very serious.

> defendents have rights and due process.

As they say: you can beat the rap but not the ride. If a state wants to make your life incredibly difficult for months or even years they can, the competent ones can even do it while staying (mostly) on the right side of the law.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by toss1 »

mmooss wrote: post #249
niemandhier wrote: post #227

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gather evidence against employees, use that evidence to put them under pressure to testify against their employer or grant access to evidence. Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. That was legal. Guess what, similar things would be legal in France. We all forget that money is nice, but nation states have real power. Western liberal democracies just rarely use it.…

> Western liberal democracies just rarely use it. Also, they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process. > Sabu was put under pressure by the FBI, they threatened to place his kids into foster care. Though things like that can happen, which are very serious.

>> they are restricted in how they use it, and defendents have rights and due process.

That due process only exists to the extent the branches of govt are independent, have co-equal power, and can hold and act upon different views of the situation.

When all branches of govt are corrupted or corrupted to serve the executive, as in autocracies, that due process exists only if the executive likes you, or accepts your bribes. That is why there is such a huge push by right-wing parties to take over the levers of power, so they can keep their power even after they would lose at the ballot box.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by bulbar »

javascriptfan69 wrote: post #235
Uhhrrr wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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The same way that social media has destabilized the USA. By exposing people to a flood of misinformation and politically radicalizing content designed to maximize engagement via emotion (usually anger). Remember when Elon Musk alleged that he was going to find a trillion dollars (a year) in waste fraud and abuse with DOGE? Did he ever issue a correction on that statement after catastrophically failing to do so? Do yo…

> Did he ever issue a correction on that statement after catastrophically failing to do so?

To be 'fair', finding fraud never was the real purpose of DOGE, just some fake argument that enough citizen would find plausible.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by free652 »

niemandhier wrote: post #221
KaiserPro wrote: post #211

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Gather evidence. I assume that they have opened a formal investigation and are now going to the office to collect/perloin evidence before it's destroyed. Most FAANG companies have training specifically for this. I assume X doesn't anymore, because they are cool and edgy, and staff training is for the woke.

If that training involves destroying evidence or withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow it.

>withholding evidence from the prosecution, you are going to jail if you follow.

Prosecution must present a valid search warrant for *specific* information. They don't get a carte blanche, so uber way is correct. lock computers and lets the courts to decide.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by bulbar »

BrandoElFollito wrote: post #197
SilverElfin wrote: post #93

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I am not surprised at all. Independent of whether this is true, such a decision from the EU would never be acted upon. The number of layers between the one who says "ban it" somewhere in Bruissels and the operator blackholing the DNS and filtering traffic is decades.

Why do you think that? It can take a few years for national laws bring in place, but that also depends on how much certain countries push it. Regarding Internet traffic I assume a few specific countries that route most of the traffic would be enough to stop operation for the most part.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by nebula8804 »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

I read somewhere that Musk (or maybe Theil) companies have processes in place to quickly offload data from a location to other jurisdictions (and destroy the local data) when they detect a raid happening. Don't know how true it is though. The only insight I have into their operations was the amazing speed by which people are badged in and out of his various gigafactories. It "appears" that they developed custom badging systems when people drive into gigafactories to cut the time needed to begin work. If they are doing that kind of stuff then there has got to be something in place for a raid. (This is second hand so take with a grain of salt)

EDIT: It seems from other comments that it may have been Uber I was reading about. The badging system I have personally observed outside the Gigafactories. Apologies for the mixup.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by aucisson_masque »

stickfigure wrote: post #120

Honest question: What does it mean to "raid" the offices of a tech company? It's not like they have file cabinets with paper records. Are they just seizing employee workstations? Seems like you'd want to subpoena source code or gmail history or something like that. Not much interesting in an office these days.

> Are they just seizing employee workstations?

Yes.

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by 936966931646863 »

gmd63 wrote: post #234
Uhhrrr wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It gives people who aren't aware of the bot accounts / thumb on the scale the perception that insane crackpot delusions are more popular than they are. There is a reason Musk paid so much for Twitter. If this stuff had no effect he wouldn't have bought it.

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