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Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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It's concerning that many responses in this thread have a similar story of negatively messing with someone until they adjust their behaviour. Please, if you think this is okay you shouldn't even be allowed a dog, let alone social interactions with other people.

Yeah not to be a scold, but the degree of antisocial/passive-aggressive behavior stuns me.

You think the direct approach would have worked?

Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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100% agree, many people don’t realize just how harmful wood smoke is. It’s also the main source of pollution in the Bay Area during the winter. Unfortunately energy costs are high enough here that people resort to burning wood to save money, so collectively beneficial policies are likely to face resistance (understandably). The purpleair map has been awesome to at least make the problem visible. I hope they are using…

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“Burning wood at home produces more pollution than road traffic” https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjdne9ke0m1o

“Residential wood-burning is the biggest source of particulate matter and soot/black carbon in Europe” https://www.fern.org/publications-insight/latest-evidence-on...

“domestic wood-burning is the largest source of particulate pollution in the UK. Only 8% of the UK’s homes burn wood, but this accounts for around 21% of the total PM2.5 emissions, whereas all traffic on the UK roads produces 13%” https://medium.com/the-new-climate/why-the-environmental-mov...

Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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> You don't "teach" your neighbors and you don't program them in a pavlovian way. Sure you do. Punishment of bad behavior is a basic social rule. Words were exchanged. All they had to do was listen, understand and stop the bad behavior. Had they done that, things would not have escalated beyond a polite conversation. Unfortunately, people often choose overt disrespect instead. They choose to challenge the other guy t…

> If anything they should be glad the punishment was as civilized as this. There are many places in this world where it could easily escalate to actual violence. Agreed. But there’s a reason that guy apparently felt no worries about closing the door in OP’s face. Perhaps the likelihood of it escalating was slim. And there’s a reason why OP didn’t knock again. In the resolution you propose in another comment, deviance…

> Perhaps the likelihood of it escalating was slim.

Not as slim as he had hoped.

People feel free to close the door on others because they are used to a life without violence. Their implicit thinking is "I'm not even gonna consider what this other person wants because what's he gonna do about it? Nothing." They think there is no way they will be held accountable for their actions. That's magical thinking.

People really shouldn't ask that question. There are a lot of things that can be done about virtually any situation. People would do well not to forget that.

"What are you going to do about it?" is a challenge. It's refusal to negotiate and a direct challenge to escalate the situation. "If this matters so much to you, then you had better do something about it". Not only does it escalate, it insults the other person. They have no choice but to escalate because the alternative is to be seen as weak which costs respect, especially if the exchange happens in front of peers.

> It transfers to the guy who thinks he can correct people’s behavior with technology.

Yes. The situation has escalated. The other person can either submit or escalate even further. Perhaps into physical violence.

Hope the hacker has a gun and is able and willing to use it. You know. Just in case. Plenty of people out there willing to die over real or perceived slights.

Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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Yeah not to be a scold, but the degree of antisocial/passive-aggressive behavior stuns me.

You think the direct approach would have worked?

I think people should be allowed to be noisy.

Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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I had this problem ... a smoker who would religiously sit on their patio and smoke so much that it would smoke us out of our house. After speaking with them didn't help ... my next response was to religiously water the garden at the same time with my jet spray ... I have amusing videos (from our CCTV) of our neighbour regularly diving for cover from an "accidental" spray of water. "Sorry. I'm just watering our plants…

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Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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“Burning wood at home produces more pollution than road traffic” https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjdne9ke0m1o “Residential wood-burning is the biggest source of particulate matter and soot/black carbon in Europe” https://www.fern.org/publications-insight/latest-evidence-on... “domestic wood-burning is the largest source of particulate pollution in the UK. Only 8% of the UK’s homes burn wood, but this accounts for a…

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Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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> We had interference somehow. Our remotes were set up to operate at the same frequency. Each remote controlled both devices. That's not "interference" in the technical sense. Interference actually causes signal degradation, distortion, or loss. This is the system "working as expected" technically. It was just set up wrong.

> That's not "interference" in the technical sense. But it is "interference" in the sense that that is what the word "interfere" means.

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Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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Where I am in British Columbia, there are sound isolation requirements in the building code so the landlords can't be cheap...but it doesn't help with older or non-permitted work.

A quick google suggests that British Columbia's building code only requires STC 50 which is "you can hear but not understand a neighbor's loud conversation" levels of isolation. Though maybe your city has stricter requirements? STC 50 is a common requirement in the US too.

Only 50? I think that's pretty good when considered on its own but STC doesn't look at the whole picture. STC ratings and requirements for discrete wall and floor assemblies are a thing but with suites/party walls apparent STC is what mattered whether it was the provincial code or local bylaws. ASTC is king.

Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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> There is no such thing as "gluten intolerance", for example--there is only glyphosate intolerance. This is absurd if you know anyone with a gluten intolerance. They have an immune reaction to organic wheat (so no glyphosate) but not to any other non-organic non-gluten produce (like oats, chickpea flour, etc. which have glyphosate).

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Re: Teaching my neighbor to keep the volume down

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I'm sure it depends on demographic/country etc, but I've lived in Apartments where everyone was considerate, no loud neighbours, no smokers. Everyone just peacefully co-existed. (I've also experienced the opposite, and unfortunately, it is more common.)

And I've lived in apartments designed to be much more sound proof, then the neighbors could do whatever they wanted and didn't have tip-toe around each other.

This is the way. I was a great neighbor, back when I lived somewhere with concrete walls between the units. Also, db meters on ebay are great peace of mind. Mount one on your wall and find out how loud is loud enough to be heard.
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