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Re: Microsoft 365 now tracks you in real time?

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Post by teekert »

triceratops wrote: post #25

FTA > Remember when you could text Dave from the office to turn your PC on because you were stuck in traffic? I honestly don't. This was a thing? Why? > So if you decide to take a "working lunch" and connect to "Starbucks_Guest_WiFi", your boss sees it instantly. I would have a lot of fun with "creative" names for my Wi-fi network.

Exactly this. If you worry about these things, find another job. So much about MS Teams. Nothing about these toxic managers.

If you think it’s normal to call in to have someone pretend you’re there because your manager can’t forgive you some bad traffic you’re pretty far away from a healthy working relationship.

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Post by _k2vp »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #259
cptskippy wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> ...what building they're in... Given that not every device has built in GPS, it sounds like the Network Team is going to have to provide the locations of APs for that to work. Curious how Teams will resolve that. If you're on your phone using a VPN back to your home network will it know or show you as at home? What happens if you have multiple APs at home?

There are public databases of APs. Google reportedly used their Android users to sniff APs (?), and used StreetView vehicles to wardrive. MS can surely pin many APs to user's PII and locations just on the data they already have?

> Google reportedly used their Android users to sniff APs

Pretty sure that's how it works across all phones. I know that's how Apple gets their location services database at least.

https://github.com/acheong08/apple-corelocation-experiments

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Post by shevy-java »

Microsoft is really dropping everything lately. First the Win11 disaster; this one is even making it in the heads of german news sites such as here:

https://www.derstandard.at/story/3000000306516/windows-11-is...

"Windows ist kaputt" = "Windows is broken"

And now 365 tracking people. So the whole company seems to now just be about sniffing after people. In the past it alleged at the least to enable folks, say, Win95 perhaps up to WinXP. Now somehow the customer became the enemy. It's really strange to see.

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Post by [deleted] »

charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

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Post by macintux »

rconti wrote: post #240
pousada wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally I wouldn’t even start working for an organisation that uses Microsoft …

unfortunately, my org that used google got acquired by an org that forced MS on us...

My large corp is moving to Google from MS, which doesn’t impact me much (I’m contracted out to another large corp) but I really wonder at the expense (in time) of a migration. What a huge drain on resources in the short term.

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Post by shevy-java »

cptskippy wrote: post #242
TavsiE9s wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great. Can you share how exactly someone's location is being derived?

> ...what building they're in... Given that not every device has built in GPS, it sounds like the Network Team is going to have to provide the locations of APs for that to work. Curious how Teams will resolve that. If you're on your phone using a VPN back to your home network will it know or show you as at home? What happens if you have multiple APs at home?

Perhaps it can be derived indirectly, if you have all global positions in the area and can calculate back, with some uncertainty, who is where and when and how.

It's like in Minority Report. Though with not perfect accuracy yet.

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Post by tokyobreakfast »

dang wrote: post #239
charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

Thanks for showing up to provide some corrective information. I know it can feel like opening a box of yellowjackets, but one of the best things about the HN community is when someone with first-hand knowledge is willing to share what they know. Edit: from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46827312 , it does sound like the feature isn't really opt-in for end users though?

> it does sound like the feature isn't really opt-in for end users though

End users should not have an expectation of empowerment when using Teams or its predecessors... the administrator can override basically anything.

If you work in a large enterprise they already control everything—or have the capability.

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Post by [deleted] »

charles_f wrote: post #206

I work on Teams (I know, I know... please don't hit me, it's not my fault) 1. I don't speak authoritatively and 2. I don't have knowledge of the whole product - there's always a rogue team here and there doing stuff. We've had that feature turned on at MSFT for some time now. It does not allow your manager to see that you're at Starbucks, at home, on the shitter or anything like that. There's a new toggle in the cale…

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