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Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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It sounds like a medical device, in which case marketing it may require FDA approval or notification. Whereas vibe-coding a one-off tool for yourself might still require validation but you're the one taking the risk and accepting liability for it. I think the thing you're missing is that the tool doesn't need to be marketed because someone else could ask their LLM to make them a similar tool but fitting their use cas…

If they're using a 100% vibe-coded tool that they've never read the code of to replace something that would require government approval, for use on real-world patients, they're probably committing medical malpractice as we speak. Let us pray that is not the case. It doesn't matter if the tool "needs" to be marketed. There is a market of paying customers. If other people are paying $200/month, both your and their live…

Jumping to conclusion that I’m committing malpractice is completely uncalled for and offensive. > Unless, of course, your vibe-coded app isn't actually remotely capable of replacing the software in question. It is completely capable FOR ME. I’m not interested in publishing it because I love my job and it pays great already.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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> The secret is that it doesn't work. I have 100% vibecoded software that I now use instead of commercial implementation that cost me almost 200 usd a month (tool for radiology dictation and report generation).

Using mystery vibe coded software in a tightly regulated, consequence-heavy environment, that’s so reassuring! /s Is it _just_ speech-to-text, or god-forbid are you giving it scans and having it write reports for you too?

It’s text to speech with structured reports support. Jesus Christ stop with the moral panic already.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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I don't get the widespread hatred of Gas Town. If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment. It pushes and crosses boundaries, it is a mixture of technology and art, it is provocative. It takes stochastic neural nets and mashes them together in bizarre ways to see if anything coherent comes out the other end. And the reaction is a bunch of Very Serious Engineers who cross their arms and h…

> If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment: So, Steve has the big scary "YOU WILL DIE" statements in there, but he also has this: > I went ahead and built what’s next. First I predicted it, back in March, in Revenge of the Junior Developer. I predicted someone would lash the Claude Code camels together into chariots, and that is exactly what I’ve done with Gas Town. I’ve tamed them to…

I think you just proved mediaman's point.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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> The secret is that it doesn't work. I have 100% vibecoded software that I now use instead of commercial implementation that cost me almost 200 usd a month (tool for radiology dictation and report generation).

Vibe-coded radiology reports, finally the 21st century will get its own Therac-25 incident.

Yes I’m sure that text to speech with very nice fluff on top will have terrible consequences. It’s almost as bad as some radiologists using Word for writing reports which is not fda-approved (shocking I know!)

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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> "If you say two different and contradictory things, and do not very explicitly resolve them, and say which one is the final answer, you will get blamed for both things you said, and you will not be entitled to complain about it, because you did it to yourself." If I can be a bit bold and observe that this tic is also a very old rhetorical trick you see in our industry. Call it Schrodinger's Modest Proposal if you w…

In what rationalist writing? The LessWrong style is to be literal and unambiguous. They’re pretty explicit that this is a community value they’re striving for.

The whole trick is having your cake and eating it too. The LessWrong style exploits the gap between the strength of the claims ("this is a big deal that explains something fundamental about the world") and the evidence/foundation (abstract armchair reasoning, unfalsifiable)

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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Originally I thought that Gas Town was some form of high level satire like GOODY-2 but it seems that some of you people have actually lost the plot. Ralph loops are also stupid because they don't make use of kv cache properly. --- https://github.com/steveyegge/gastown/issues/503 Problem: Every gt command runs bd version to verify the minimum beads version requirement. Under high concurrency (17+ agent sessions), this…

Gaslighting town.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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I'm not trying to be rude here at all but are you manually verifying any of that? When I've had LLMs write unit tests they are quick to write pointless unit tests that seem impressive "2123/2123 tests passed!" but in reality it's testing mostly nothing of value. And that's when they aren't bypassing commit checks or just commenting out tests or saying "I fixed it all" while multiple tests are broken. Maybe I need a s…

I feel like it was doing what you're saying about 4-6 months ago. Especially the commenting out tests. Not always but I'd have to do more things step by step and keep the llm on track. Now though, the last 3-4 months, it's writing decent unit tests without much hand holding or refactors.

Literally yesterday I was using Claude for writing a SymPy symbolic verification of a mathematical assertion it was making with respect to some rigorous algebra/calculus I was having it do for me. This is the best possible hygiene I could adopt for checking its output, and it still failed to report on results correctly.

After manual line-by-line inspection and hand-tweaks, it still saved me time. But it's going to be a long, long time before I no longer manually tweak things or trust that there are no silent mistakes.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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> If you read Steve's writeup, it's clear that this is a big fun experiment: So, Steve has the big scary "YOU WILL DIE" statements in there, but he also has this: > I went ahead and built what’s next. First I predicted it, back in March, in Revenge of the Junior Developer. I predicted someone would lash the Claude Code camels together into chariots, and that is exactly what I’ve done with Gas Town. I’ve tamed them to…

I agree, I’m one of the Very Serious Engineers and I liked Steve’s post when I thought it was sort of tongue in cheek but was horrified to come to the HN comments and LinkedIn comments proclaiming Gastown as the future of engineering. There absolutely is a large contingent of engineers who believe this, and it has a real world impact on my job if my bosses think you can just throw a dozen AI agents at our product roa…

I think Steve's idea of an agent coordinator and the general model could make sense. There is a lot of discussion (and even work from Anthropic, OpenAI, etc) around multiagent workflows.

Is Gas Town the implementation? I'm not sure.

What is interesting is seeing how this paradigm can help improve one's workflow. There is still a lot of guidance and structuring of prompts / claude.md / whichever files that need to be carefully written.

If there is a push for the equivalent of helm charts and crds for gas town, then I will be concerned.

Re: Gas Town's agent patterns, design bottlenecks, and vibecoding at scale

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I thought it was harmless(ish) fun, but David Gerard put out a post stating that Yegge used Gas Town to push out a crypto project that rug pulled his supporters, while he personally walked away with something between $50K to $100K from memory. I suppose that has little to do with the technical merits of the work, but it's such a bad look, and it makes everyone boosting this stuff seem exactly as dysregulated/unwise a…

That was very weird. In the post where he was arguably "shilling," he seems to have signposted pretty well that it was dumb, but he will take the money they offered: > $GAS is not equity and does not give you any ownership interest in Gas Town or my work. This post is for informational purposes only and is not a solicitation or recommendation to buy, sell, or hold any token. Crypto markets are volatile and speculativ…

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