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Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by causalscience »

throwaway173738 wrote: post #187
causalscience wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not, because the world we live in isn't binary. It's not true that "it's encrypted therefore nothing can go wrong". Putting your password manager online increases the risk of an accident. And just because millions of people think this is a good idea, doesn't make it a good idea. Millions of people also reuse their passwords and that doesn't make it a good idea either.

The thing is that accounts get cracked because of reuse all the time. Whereas they seldom if at all get cracked because they’re in a password manager.

That's why I don't do either of those.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by microtonal »

nomadiccoder wrote: post #255
ink_13 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you going to do instead? I am very close to moving from a 20-year-old GMail address to a custom domain and was planning to use Proton as the email host.

Fastmail is worth considering. Ive used it for several years and it just works.

Downside is that their main servers are in the US, which may be problematic these days if you are from outside the US.

I just moved away from Fastmail after 10+ years for this reason.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by whiterock »

microtonal wrote: post #262
nomadiccoder wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fastmail is worth considering. Ive used it for several years and it just works.

Downside is that their main servers are in the US, which may be problematic these days if you are from outside the US. I just moved away from Fastmail after 10+ years for this reason.

Out of curiosity: Where did you migrate to?

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by prussia »

vee-kay wrote: post #256
aprentic wrote: post #221

I really hope the Proton PMs are watching this. Their main business offerings are privacy and security. The fact that they were able to pull customers away from Google shows that switching costs are low. Your reputation is your moat. If you ruin it by acting like Google, you're filling your own moat.

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Terrorist attacks and perverts are every government's excuse to crack down on freedom. Refusing to comply with an authoritarian government like India's is a plus in my book.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by b00ty4breakfast »

arrozconcosas wrote: post #194
everyday7732 wrote: post #132

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To add to this, it's the same attitude that they used to create the AI in the first place by using content which they don't own, without permission. Regardless of how useful it may be, the companies creating it and including it have demonstrated time and again that they do not care about consent.

How can you get a machine to have values? Humans have values because of social dynamics and education (or lack of exposure to other types of education). Computers do not have social dynamics, and it is much harder to control what they are being educated on if the answer is "everything".

It's not hard if the people in charge had any scruples at all. These machines never could have done anything if some human being, somewhere in the chain, hadn't decided that "yeah, I think we will do {nefarious_thing} with our new technology". Or should we start throwing up our hands when someone gets stabbed to death like "well, I guess knives don't have human values".

Human beings are doing this.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by rcMgD2BwE72F »

stilldavid wrote: post #257
ink_13 wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are you going to do instead? I am very close to moving from a 20-year-old GMail address to a custom domain and was planning to use Proton as the email host.

Seconding fastmail. I have a catch-all and can reply from any address I please. If I reply from an email sent to retailer@mydomain.com it even auto populates the "from" address for me with "retailer", or I can choose to reply from one of my named accounts. It's really slick.

Love this too. I just wish they were more privacy-friendly.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by Washuu »

bartbutler wrote: post #133

Hey, Proton CTO here. There was a bug, and we fucked up. Support should have reported it up the chain and acknowledged this. Things happen, especially at scale, but we take comms consent seriously and will fix it.

Can you fix the fact that this new email spam category was added and that I was automatically opted into receiving it without my consent? That's fucked. I'm a paying customer and I keep getting advertisements in the Proton desktop applications for various things.(Black Friday deals, other stuff.) I should never see these advertisements if I'm paying you.

Re: Proton spam and the AI consent problem

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Post by sabellito »

thejoeflow wrote: post #233
davidee wrote: post #231

I've been using proton for a year after migrating from Rackspace and I'm done. Not because of this article, but I might as well pile on: 1. I use a custom domain. Turns out that there are two competing features, not-at-all documented. If you use a catch-all, like I do, AND use specific addresses for sending, the two are incompatible to some degree. Which is bonkers. Example: with a catchall I can create any address I…

Isn't the search bad because they can't search email contents? As long as the term is somewhere in the metadata (title, sender email, sender name) it seems to work ok. I agree though that the user experience isn't great because of this limitation. You kind of have to remember what the title of the email was for what you're looking for. Searching for "flight ticket" results in mixed success

They can search contents. You have to activate local indexing in the search UI itself.
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