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California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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There's still cost involved, and solar seems to be around 30% of the total

California is richest state in USA, it's is richer than many countries, it can afford such cost. Florida has more than double the desalination plants than California, and it is poorer than California.

Well first of all Florida absolutely does not do large scale sea water desalination

And second of all when we're talking about large scale electricity needs then cost is obviously not the only concern

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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California is richest state in USA, it's is richer than many countries, it can afford such cost. Florida has more than double the desalination plants than California, and it is poorer than California.

Well first of all Florida absolutely does not do large scale sea water desalination And second of all when we're talking about large scale electricity needs then cost is obviously not the only concern

>Florida absolutely does not do large scale sea water desalination

The point is that California MUST do large-scale sea-water desalination, and it can certainly afford to do so.

>we're talking about large scale electricity need

A nuclear reactor or two will solve those problems. That's how nations with huge populations and large electricity needs solve that energy problem.

>cost is obviously not the only concern

Talking of cost, the "environmental cost" of its water (mis)management is certainly does not seem to be California's concern.

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California couple Fined $500 for brown lawn.. in a drought:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lX3UIZxzJL0

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Aqueduct

Read the last line: [The impact of the Los Angeles Aqueduct Project to the Owens Valley region was immediate and detrimental to future agricultural work of local farmers. In 1923, in an effort to increase the water supply, the city of Los Angeles began purchasing vast parcels of land and commenced the drilling of new wells in the region, significantly lowering the level of groundwater in the Owens Valley, even affecting farmers who “did not sell to the city’s representatives.”[44] By 1970, constant groundwater pumping by the city of Los Angeles had virtually dried up all the major springs in the Owens Valley, impacting the surrounding wetlands, springs, meadows, and marsh habitats.[45] The consequent transfer of water out of the Owens Lake and Mono Lake decimated the natural ecology of the region, transforming what was a “lush terrain into desert.”]

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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Isn't this the same state where the rich people water their plush lawns even in the peak of summer during drought? And where 90% of the water for its huge capital city-district (Los Angeles) is not even sourced locally (say, by desalination of seawater, as it is a coastal city), but it's instead piped from hundreds of miles away, while banning the villages at the source locations from using the local rivers/lakes as…

No, this is the state where the vast vast vast majority of water is used in incredibly inefficient agricultural practices because those consumers were allocated water "Rights" in a stupid system over a hundred years ago and have never had to pay market rates for water and are therefore not incentivized to do anything to not waste water. Instead, factions are heavily incentivized, by the way that water rights system w…

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Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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Isn't this the same state where the rich people water their plush lawns even in the peak of summer during drought? And where 90% of the water for its huge capital city-district (Los Angeles) is not even sourced locally (say, by desalination of seawater, as it is a coastal city), but it's instead piped from hundreds of miles away, while banning the villages at the source locations from using the local rivers/lakes as…

No, this is the state where the vast vast vast majority of water is used in incredibly inefficient agricultural practices because those consumers were allocated water "Rights" in a stupid system over a hundred years ago and have never had to pay market rates for water and are therefore not incentivized to do anything to not waste water. Instead, factions are heavily incentivized, by the way that water rights system w…

Wait, the richest state does not price water usage properly?! So rich elites are paying low price for water, even though the region can have droughts?

(I mentioned "richest state" because a rich state should tax the wealthy more, and subsidize basic amenities for the poor. So if poor pay less for water, it's okay, because the wealthy pay a pricier rate for water, so they don't tend to waste water.)

This is ridiculous. No wonder they are watering lawns and wasting water in other ways during droughts.

But what is even more ridiculous is when prudent citizens are fined for conserving water during drought.

California couple Fined $500 for brown lawn.. in a drought: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lX3UIZxzJL0

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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It's not quite as simple as that though - in most places, especially California, water shortages are not a simple natural imbalance between the amount of rain that falls and how much flows out in rivers and streams. If demand is far higher than supply due to overuse by industry that's definitely a water shortage - there isn't enough of it, and something is probably suffering as a result. I don't think that's a useful…

> If someone builds a massive factory consuming 100s of millions of gallons of water per day that's definitely going to cause a problem Lots of factories in Washington, seemingly no problem.

Are you implying 800 miles worth of latitude, along with North Pacific weather in general, is irrelevant?

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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Well first of all Florida absolutely does not do large scale sea water desalination And second of all when we're talking about large scale electricity needs then cost is obviously not the only concern

>Florida absolutely does not do large scale sea water desalination The point is that California MUST do large-scale sea-water desalination, and it can certainly afford to do so. >we're talking about large scale electricity need A nuclear reactor or two will solve those problems. That's how nations with huge populations and large electricity needs solve that energy problem. >cost is obviously not the only concern Talk…

Okay so we went from California should use desalination plans because Florida does even though that was factualy incorrect to we just need to build a couple of nuclear reactors

Putting politics aside there would still be a large cost and environmental impact to that

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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>Florida absolutely does not do large scale sea water desalination The point is that California MUST do large-scale sea-water desalination, and it can certainly afford to do so. >we're talking about large scale electricity need A nuclear reactor or two will solve those problems. That's how nations with huge populations and large electricity needs solve that energy problem. >cost is obviously not the only concern Talk…

Okay so we went from California should use desalination plans because Florida does even though that was factualy incorrect to we just need to build a couple of nuclear reactors Putting politics aside there would still be a large cost and environmental impact to that

You were the one who mentioned that desalination plants are huge cost and needs lots of electricity.

I've merely rebutted those excuses with logical answers.

California's GDP is $4.1 trillion. If it were a country, it would be world's 4th largest economy!

So its wealth can be directly compared to India, which is $4.5 trillion GDP and recently overtook Japan to become world's 4th largest economy.

Humanity has not yet found a better alternative to massive energy supply than nuclear reactors. Solar & windmill technology are getting better as well for energy tapping and efficiency.

But California's largest solar plant (~500 MW capacity) is shutting down in 2026, due to "high operating costs", and the other few solar farms in the state are smaller capacity farms.

Meanwhile, China and India have world's largest solar farms, and are building more. They also have huge wind farms, and are experimenting alternative new methods such as tidal-wave based energy generation.

China controls 11 of the top 15 largest solar farms globally, with the Gonghe Talatan Solar Park leading at 15.6 GW capacity – equivalent to Singapore’s entire land area and capable of powering millions of homes annually. capacity of the solar parks shall be 500 MW and above.

India's solar power installed capacity was 135.81 GW as of 31 December 2025, which will be tripled to 300 GW approximately by 2030. Indian government has mandated that new solar farms must be above 500MW capacity. (However, smaller parks are also considered where contiguous land may be difficult to acquire in view of difficult terrain and where there is acute shortage of non-agricultural land.)

California gets a lot of sunshine and wind, why doesn't it do the needful to resolve its water mismanagement by doing better in large-scale seawater-desalination and energy-generation/harvesting ?

The answer is obvious: because it doesn't want to.

California prefers to waste water because it is accustomed to bleeding other water-rich regions dry, and no one is bothered to bell the cat: to leverage California's immense wealth to permanently resolve its water woes by massive seawater-desalination projects and huge solar & wind farms supported by a nuclear reactor or two (yes, nuclear reactors are not eco-friendly, but they are only energy-rich solutions for massive energy needs; neither are solar or wind farms really evo-friendly as their broken equipments typically don't get recycled properly and end up in landfills.)

Past: I live in a large coastal city, which gets its energy mostly from a nuclear reactor, and few small-scale solar farms & wind farms. The city/district is also prone to droughts, but it gets its daily water from seawater desalination plants, couple of rivers, and some lakes as rain water catchment areas. The local government here also mandated rainwater harvesting to be done by every building (they catch rainwater on their roof terraces, it gets piped down to water dumps/tanks, and they use that water till it lasts.) The city/district take extra care to try not to lose precious rain water, so it manages drought seasons well. The city/district does NOT pipe its water from other regions, so nearby regions don't blame the city/district for bleeding then dry of their precious water.

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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> If someone builds a massive factory consuming 100s of millions of gallons of water per day that's definitely going to cause a problem Lots of factories in Washington, seemingly no problem.

Are you implying 800 miles worth of latitude, along with North Pacific weather in general, is irrelevant?

It’s very relevant,

and the next 200 years of settlers should probably take note,

instead of just continuing to barrel into a place that was unreasonable to live in when it started, and hasn’t changed much in that regard.

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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That’s silly. If you know about it, so do the lawyers who would come out of the woodwork to take these cases.

Here’s a research report relating to weather modification. It references even a prior California case where a flood happened in an area utilizing cloud seeding. https://digitalcommons.pace.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=...

No what’s silly is the idea that they’re simultaneously trying to hide it and still publicly admitting to it.

Re: California is free of drought for the first time in 25 years

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No, this is the state where the vast vast vast majority of water is used in incredibly inefficient agricultural practices because those consumers were allocated water "Rights" in a stupid system over a hundred years ago and have never had to pay market rates for water and are therefore not incentivized to do anything to not waste water. Instead, factions are heavily incentivized, by the way that water rights system w…

Wait, the richest state does not price water usage properly?! So rich elites are paying low price for water, even though the region can have droughts? (I mentioned "richest state" because a rich state should tax the wealthy more, and subsidize basic amenities for the poor. So if poor pay less for water, it's okay, because the wealthy pay a pricier rate for water, so they don't tend to waste water.) This is ridiculous…

Like, that entire saga about the "Delta smelt" was manufactured by a lobbying group who serve a group of rich farm companies who have very junior water rights.

California has a "dual" water rights system. "Appropriative" rights the stupidity is called. If you claimed a shitload of water back in the 1800s as "yours", you still have total claim over that water today, and most who came after you to claim water have less right to water than you do. These rights resolve first come, first serve, and "In times of shortage the most recent (“junior”) right holder must be the first to discontinue such use".

The way these rights interact is such that, the oldest "claim" will never ever ever have to reduce their water usage, even if things are utterly drastic. This water rights system is simply divorced from reality. Californian farmers have no reason to adopt more sustainable or conservative methods of farming.

>https://www.waterboards.ca.gov/waterrights/board_info/water_...

The "riparian" water rights supposedly carry higher privilege than those old rights, but "all riparian rightsholders share the burden of conservation in times of shortage", and the water claims work differently, so they interact in awful ways.

The complex and outright stupid interaction of these rights mean you as someone with a really shitty appropriative water right benefits much more from getting the rest of the state to use less water than you benefit from yourselves using water more efficiently.

>This is ridiculous. No wonder they are watering lawns and wasting water in other ways during droughts.

I'm not saying that everyone who waters their lawn during a drought is an appropriative rightsholder. I think it's mostly agricultural users. In fact, I am directly saying that caring at all about the 10% of Californian water usage that is municipal is a distraction. Hell, California goes so far as to classify 50% of "water usage" as "environmental" when what that actually means is water that you didn't take out of the stream, to help make it look less bad that in terms of actual water used, it's 80% agricultural, 20% urban.

That monumental usage of California's extremely limited water resources accounts, btw, for only 2% of the state's GDP, despite the economics of that grown produce continuing to improve. All of this pain is just to enrich specific individuals, and not that many of them.

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