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Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by tokai »

csense wrote: post #177

I think the administration's real goal isn't taking over Greenland. I think it's scaring the EU enough about the possibility the US might take over Greenland that the EU pays to fortify it so the US doesn't have to. (Somebody needs to fortify it, because the world is warming and it will become a strategically important trade choke point when a Northwest Passage opens up.) Just like Trump being hot-and-cold on Ukraine…

>US might take over Greenland that the EU pays to fortify it so the US doesn't have to

Does not make sense. Denmark had already budgeted with a huge increase of military capabilities on Greenland. If US wanted more they could talk with their allied.

And the 'lol just pay them' argument is tone deaf and insulting to the Greenlanders. If you followed along you would know that they have already stated that they would not take money. To say nothing about the laws that governs the Kingdom and the process of leaving the it. Which can not be deferred by paying anyone. But I guess americans have a really hard time understanding the rule of law now.

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Post by mxkopy »

adventured wrote: post #174
torlok wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"We'll see how long the US economy is going to last when it can't even fund its own government." This is fantasy thinking, projection of a subjective wish. The dollar is the global reserve currency and is under no serious threat to be displaced (and no, the dollar dropping back to where it was a couple of years ago vs the Euro, is not a meaningful event). The US economy is by far the world's largest and now dwarfs th…

The problem is deeper than economics. It’s the festering wound of reconstruction turning putrid. It doesn’t have to be the end of the US, but it certainly can be.

Also, I’m not sure the US economy was even great for most of the periods you mentioned. The question of if the US survives to have the same economic standing that it did in the 1800s is not that compelling

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by throw0101c »

United857 wrote: post #52

Despite all the talk about military action, the fact is that Europe is one of the main trading partners of the US and holds a substantial share of US debt. Any invasion would be economic suicide, and I think even Trump realizes this.

> Any invasion would be economic suicide, and I think even Trump realizes this.

Your mistaking is in using rationality and logic.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by teiferer »

legitster wrote: post #217

Even all of the purely imperialistic stated reasons for taking Greenland make no sense. National security? We already have the right to station as many troops there as we want! And we have actually removed troops recently. Mineral rights? America is already richly endowed - its just impossible to access what we have when permitting is almost impossible. If there were actually valuable lodes in Greenland, it would pro…

> National security?

Plus, punishing exactlty those Nato partners who are sending military there to see how to strengthen the defense. That shows you don't want Greenland stronger, militarily. You want it weaker to have less issues when you invade it.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by teiferer »

Tangokat wrote: post #232

The Americans on HN driving tech, science and innovation are enabling Trump to do this. Without you he would be nothing. Where is your integrity? Do you think having no allies makes you more safe? Is this really the world you want?

How are US tech folks more enabling Trump than anybody else who pays tax there?

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Post by jimbohn »

maxloh wrote: post #165

I wonder how the current events in Greenland will impact the safety and sovereignty of Taiwan. The US is Taiwan’s most important military ally, even if that relationship remains unofficial. It is also the most critical power in the First Island Chain. If the US stopped being a global superpower, countries like Japan and South Korea might not be willing to aid in defending Taiwan on their own.

IMO, China will get back Taiwan without firing a single shot, the US is slowly de-risking itself from it and will eventually make Taiwan redundant. After seeing how the US is "helping" Ukraine, will the Taiwanese think fighting an all-out war with allies like this is worth it? China doesn't have the same genocidal intentions russia has towards Ukraine, so less reasons for people to fight it out

Edt: would love some arguments instead of downvotes

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Post by metabagel »

drysine wrote: post #245
sschueller wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At some point Germany and others will feel the US presence on their soil being occupation forces and not joint NATO forces.

>being occupation forces That's literally what they are. American forces appeared in Germany in 1945.

They’re not occupying forces. There is a status of forces agreement between the two countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_forces_agreement

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by rpiguy »

yoyohello13 wrote: post #220
dyauspitr wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Americans you’re trying to reach are not here. They’re in Facebook and right wing social bubbles with a constant influx of fresh slop propaganda. It’s unprecedented in the fact that it’s affecting people at the family unit level with people tearing off into political parties within families that cut off all contact from each other.

You'd be surprised how many people on HN voted for this. A lot of people seem to only care about their stock portfolio, and Trump makes number go up.

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