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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fjfaase »

2OEH8eoCRo0 wrote: post #111
deaux wrote: post #10

This is great news, though a higher percentage would be welcome. The sooner Europe rips off the bandaid, the better.

Europe waking up would even be good for the US long term. The US has coasted on success and grown fat on lack of competition.

There might be more competition in Europe than you think, because there are fewer companies that dominate the whole continent.

Also Europe houses the company that builds the worlds most complex machines, which depends on innovations made by hunderds of other companies. I worked at one of those companies.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fritzorino »

cudgy wrote: post #258
phs318u wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> What you see now would happen regardless of who the public voted for. No. If Biden had attempted even a tenth (or Obama a hundredth) of what Trump has done, he’d be facing Nixon-level approbation and possibly real jail time.

Biden caused much harm as well, but he was not as overt as Trump. Trump reveals it out loud while Biden (and most politicians) said it in secret chambers.

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Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by haizhung »

jijijijij wrote: post #181
blibble wrote: post #163

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> The US will never be trusted or even respected again, not any time soon. not until the US fundamentally changes its political system such that this type of capture can't happen again which short of a civil war, I can't see happening

The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee. The US behavior is straight insulting and caused major economic damage. If your drunk uncle pointed a gun to your head, a simple "Sorry!" won't do. Quite frankly, considering the wide diplomatic damage and collapsing influence, paired with its deep social, cultural and economic internal issues... I can totally see the US failing. They depend so much…

> The president who is willing to fix this will have to bend the knee.

A similar instance of this is happening currently in the talks between EU/UK — The EU is demanding a „Farage“ clause. They want a guarantee that the damages are paid for in case Farage becomes prime minister and will roll back all treaties and trade deals and what not.

Which, to be fair, makes total sense.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by defrost »

fritzorino wrote: post #262
cudgy wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Biden caused much harm as well, but he was not as overt as Trump. Trump reveals it out loud while Biden (and most politicians) said it in secret chambers.

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I'm sure you could express that viewpoint without what come across as deeply personal swipes.

See: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by cudgy »

hermanzegerman wrote: post #112
bootsmann wrote: post #62

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The problem is NATO, a lot of the EU is reluctant to push back because at the end of the day the US guarantees that Russia cannot pursue the type of landgrab it is currently trying to do in Ukraine against other states. The risk that the US runs into when trying to take Greenland is that this argument loses weight instantly, so the expectation is that the EU will be much more willing to use its anti coercion tools if…

Russia already fails in Ukraine where they are fighting with our old junk, and the other EU States are kicking their defense industry in full gear. What makes you think they could win a full scale war against the EU

Old junk? Drones are old junk? Do you even understand what a full scale war with Russia entails? Total annihilation of Europe for starters.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by omnimus »

dh2022 wrote: post #212
omnimus wrote: post #206

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Most of the western europe would have carved up Ukraine already to get “peace”. But baltics/nordics/poland won't budge. Western europe is scared to send weapons let alone send any actual military help. When crowdfunding is rivaling countries support then it doesn't look like they are taking it seriously.

Which part of Western Europe is afraid to send weapons? Britain who sent Shadow missiles to Ukraine? Germany who sent tanks? France who committed troops on the ground if there is a peace treaty in Ukraine? Germany, UK, and France have continuously asked for all territory to be given back to the Ukraine-which is the opposite of wanting to carve up Ukraine. Another one of your posts that is contradicted by reality.

I wish you were right and western europe will get involved with actual troops. Hopefully the situation is changing… but “reality” is that germany sent like 20 tanks. Ukraine has over 1200 in their disposal. Poland send almost 400… i mean even Netherlands (to their credit) sent 5x more tanks than Germany.

I guess as the situation will get more dire, western europe will have turn around but its been going on for what 4 years? They better do stuff. Because if hard right - likes of AfD gets into power there is high chance they will just leave Ukraine to Russia.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by fjfaase »

bpodgursky wrote: post #235
piva00 wrote: post #194

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Not even the US can stand against China by itself... The EU still has a large military industrial base getting revitalised as we speak, it didn't rot, it simply didn't need to pump out massive amounts of gear until this point. Poland, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Sweden, Finland, Czechia, etc. all have different kinds of weapons manufacturers. You can even include the UK, and Norway in the mix even though they aren…

No, the EU obviously did need to pump out massive amounts of gear, and failed to, and that's why four years into a war, Ukraine is still suffering under the yoke of a country with 1/10th the GDP of the EU. If the EU had taken their responsibilities seriously given the MASSIVE THREAT next door, Ukraine would have had massive ordinance dumped on it in March 2022 and been free of Russians by Christmas.

It failed for political reasons. Political leaders being afraid to get involved in the war. Also do not rule out right wing political parties that are often anti-Ukraine and pro-Russia due to being sponsord by Russia.

The USA also has had it share of preventing the EU from getting involved.

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by cudgy »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #226
lyu07282 wrote: post #224

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But your lukewarm candidates lost twice, Hillary lost, Kamala lost. The point we are making is that they lost, because they are lukewarm. There is a reason Trump won in the first place you are ignoring, you are ignoring the times of unprecedented grievances that people have, people want real change. Trump represents that change to people, a fascist lie and scapegoating of course, but you are representing the comforta…

I don't represent or subscribe to what you think! I agree that both of them were weak candidates who lost where a better candidate could have won, and I myself have been growing away from the Democratic party ever since the 2016 primary. What I cannot agree with, what I find completely unacceptable, is the idea that any dispute over candidate quality can justify splintering the anti-Trump coalition. If Bernie were th…

How long till you abandon the pathetic Democratic party? It's been 10 years since 2016. Or are you simply reduced to an anti-Trumper?

Re: Eight European countries face 10% tariff for opposing US control of Greenland

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Post by cudgy »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #151
fofoz wrote: post #78

My impression as a European is that trust in the United States has now been burned, and that companies are slowly, but inexorably, completely rethinking their dependence on the U.S. I believe this is a process that is not reversible in the medium term. Trump, like any politician, will sooner or later pass. How many institutional reforms will the United States have to undertake, and how long will it take before the wo…

The thing is that, even if Trump never becomes a full-out authoritarian, sooner or later someone will follow that path and do so (unless there are institutional reforms with teeth after Trump is gone). I don't trust the US to remain a real democracy long-term, even after Trump is gone.

US was never a real democracy; it is a representative republic consisting of 2 primary parties both coopted by billionares.
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