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America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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Post by systemtest »

pessimizer wrote: post #168
systemtest wrote: post #108

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That is only possible with stable and legal housing. Not everyone is privileged to be in that situation, especially not with the housing market in many countries. With your thinking you are creating a class of subhumans where you enjoy the benefits of their labour but you are not allowing them to vote. Like African Americans in the US not that long ago.

No, it's actually nothing like us. It's also annoying and insulting that we have to be the symbol for every victim of anything. Black Americans are not nomads. We're forced out by them.

I’m not talking about nomads. I’m talking about people who live there for years, sometimes decades

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Post by ryandrake »

t-3 wrote: post #256
ryandrake wrote: post #252

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Protesting is basically "doing nothing, loudly." It looks virtuous but has almost zero actual affect on policy. Does any politician actually look at a protest and say "Oh, my, look at that, people don't like what I'm doing! Looks like I have to change my mind."

They never change their minds, that's because the police are willing to beat the protesters for them. The Civil Rights movement is an example of (mostly, but not always peaceful) protest that changed things within living memory. Gay rights advances in recent decades definitely owe a lot to demonstrations and public organizing that put the issues into public conversation. Women's suffrage movements also featured many…

Politicians are like ROM. You can't change them once they are programmed. If you want a different function, you need to swap them out. Yelling in the street is not going to get you anywhere.

The reason Civil Rights, Gay Rights and so on got traction was not through protestors changing politicians' minds. It was through the masses changing their minds and actually going to the ballot boxes to replace their (essentially robot) politicians.

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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Post by systemtest »

PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #214
systemtest wrote: post #70

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Not talking about passing by, talking about people living there for years.

What would you propose as a way to differentiate the two?

Make it so people who live there can vote

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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whynotminot wrote: post #55
systemtest wrote: post #41

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I've lived in various European cities where I was not able to vote for various reasons. Such as living hotel long-term, living in a holiday home, being semi-homeless, sub-letting, crashing on someones couch. Seasonal workers, migrant workers or people with unstable employment are typically in this situation. No, I was not able to vote.

I don’t want someone drifting through town in the local motel to be able to meaningfully vote to change the city I am rooted in.

A billionaire buying up housing can do a lot more damage than a persons drifting through town

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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Post by systemtest »

whynotminot wrote: post #182
triceratops wrote: post #130

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Why would someone actually "drifting through" even bother voting? The odd weirdo might but that's not going to tip any elections. Even most long term residents legally entitled to vote don't make the effort.

I don’t know man but I also know that loopholes get exploited. I think local voting should be for actual locals. To your point that so few people actually vote, it doesn’t take much to sway a local election.

These people are locals. They are living there for years sometimes decades

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Post by systemtest »

moi2388 wrote: post #245
systemtest wrote: post #124

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A yes, why didn't I think of that! Let me just completely ignore the broken housing market, the 15+ year waiting list for social housing and scrape together... lets checks... €400k for a small appartement with a 45 minute commute to work. Do you have any clue how privileged you sound here? This is peak "have you tried not being poor" attitude.

Small apartments are not 400k, that’s average house price for family houses. Apartments are between 180-250k.

Not near Amsterdam

Re: America could have $4 lunch bowls like Japan but for zoning laws

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Post by whynotminot »

systemtest wrote: post #267
whynotminot wrote: post #182

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I don’t know man but I also know that loopholes get exploited. I think local voting should be for actual locals. To your point that so few people actually vote, it doesn’t take much to sway a local election.

These people are locals. They are living there for years sometimes decades

Most places I know of let you vote if you have that kind of persistent record of living somewhere. I don’t know your specific situation.
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