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‘ELITE’: The Palantir app ICE uses to find neighborhoods to raid
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#262Earlier quoted context omitted.
We've all seen the video. You are working so hard to build and manufacture the narrative that fits in your mind, to the point where it can justify the actions of the officer. There is no justification for shooting a woman point blank in the face, and you know it.
If you believe said women is attempting to attack you with a deadly weapon (an accelerating vehicle that you were struck by in this case) that would fall pretty clearly under justified use of force.
"If you believe"...
What makes you believe that she had any intent to attempt an attack?
Intent is where this falls apart, as she had no intent to harm with her vehicle. The interaction up until escalation by the agents was peaceful.
Even if the agent was in harms way, "totality of the circumstances" need to be reviewed before it can be said that deadly force was justified (see Barnes v. Felix ruling below)
https://www.shawbransford.com/supreme-court-unanimously-reje...
https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/24pdf/23-1239_onjq.pdf
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#263Why have we all lost the ability to think in a nuanced way? It’s very disturbing to witness, particularly on a forum like HN, ostensibly populated by smart people. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that ICE has a clear and ethical mandate while also believing that they are going about fulfilling that mandate via bad methods that need to change. It’s possible to simultaneously believe that people shouldn’t be ma…
I blame infiltration by bots slowly shifting the Overton window. Did this site not get "weird" in the last few years?
Not to think to highly of ourselves, I for one am a genuine idiot, but the crowed here likely has more influence than a lot of other online forums. Making it a worthwhile target, especially on the AI front. Plus the site is an easy to integrate into a bots with the minimal website and all.
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#264Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes yes, shoot mothers in the face in her car. Grab human beings from their homes and detain them thousands of miles away with no due process. Send human beings to detention camps in another country NOT the one they are from Please, people, have some decency and maintain the nuance. We're not barbarians here! Sheesh.
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Then stop hiding behind "nuance" and be more explicit about how you support what's going on. Everyone who disagrees with the ongoing blatant fascist police state activity do not lack nuance, they lack your ability to suppress empathy.
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#265To tech leaders and hiring managers at other companies: If you're reading this, please consider publicly stating that your company will interview Palantir engineers who want to exit on moral grounds. Create an explicit off-ramp. Lower the barrier to leaving. Make it a tech industry norm that we offer refuge to engineers trying to do the right thing.
You could focus on having positive projects for the society, and a good reputation. That works.
I don’t think I ever seen a CV from an ex Pal*ntir employee though. Perhaps they are automatically filtered or working for good morals doesn’t attract them.
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My great-grand parents woke one day with status of illegals. Shortly after that they have been included in mass deportations to Poland.
Some people have asked how something like that could happened. Thanks for your comment. Now I can sand them this link as an answer.
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#267Earlier quoted context omitted.
I for one would find it far more acceptable if the people carrying out the deportations would be a little less "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" about it.
The person you are referring to rammed an ICE agent with their vehicle and the agent suffered internal bleeding as a result. Sorry but there is no scenario where you can strike law enforcement with your car after being repeatedly ordered to exit your vehicle where their wouldn't be a justifiable use of lethal force. Trying to frame it as "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" is extremely disingenuous.
> Trying to frame it as "shoot U.S. civilians in the face for not listening" is extremely disingenuous.
Describing what she did as "ramming" an ICE agent is extremely disingenuous. She tapped him, probably on accident[†]. He got a bruise, and she got shot in the face.
[†] We'll never know because she's dead.
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> 1) You don't deport them, you don't ignore them, you document them. Then you let them live their lives. They're people, not a mold outgrowth that needs culling. I don't think that's a policy that would get majoritarian support in the US. The only people who can and should get deported are those who are not already not authorized to be here. If you don't deport them, it's functionally equivalent to an open-borders p…
There is broad support for Dreamers. It's not as simple as deport everyone here illegally and the public seems to understand that.
> There is broad support for Dreamers. It's not as simple as deport everyone here illegally and the public seems to understand that.
What the GGP was advocating was much broader than that. What's sympathetic about the Dreamers is the non-consensual nature of their position (their parents took them here) and many of them have little to no connection to the country they'd be deported to.
That logic doesn't apply to, say, the 3.5 million illegal immigrants that arrived between 2021 and 2023 (https://www.pewresearch.org/race-and-ethnicity/2025/08/21/u-...), but those are people the GGP would "document not deport."
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Fair enough, they had (specially their executives and the engineers working on ad tech) a negative impact in the world as well.
Given the choice, end users choose free or cheap and ad supported over full price in huge majorities. You have to weigh "I don't like ads" against 200 million (!) people on Netflix's ad supported plan and how much enjoyment they get that they might not otherwise. Not to mention things like Google that are ad supported and genuinely useful. In the real world things have pros and cons.
I used to buy this thinking, but no longer. People are incredibly resourceful, and instead of innovating towards exploiting and manipulating people, we could choose to innovate towards conserveration of important things, just like we have done in the past.
We don't fund out national parks with advertisements. We don't fund our libraries with advertisements. We could create the same structures for the internet as well, where crucial internet resources are protected and stewarded. They don't necessarily need to be in the hands of ad companies.
Sure, I will not deny that having things be "free" (and paying for them in other ways) has been a huge boon from one perspective, but we can also evolve to put "free" things in different places. Because things are never free. Advertisements are funding mass surveillance. They are encroaching our civil liberties and normalizing it. There is a total cost to things that extens beyond money. What we don't pay out of pocket we pay as a society.
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#270Earlier quoted context omitted.
My point was, if you do invent something like Zyklon B, you need to consider its uses. While the gas itself is just a molecule, devoid of morality, not everyone who employs it will be a moral person. In the case of Palantir, should we allow the federal government to combine databases (which may have been hoovered up by DOGE and held in a private sector company that isn't subject to FOIA)? Should there be judicial rev…
I think there is no significant disagreement between the two of us, perhaps only on the topic of intentionality of things and degrees of involvement. A gun has the intent of projecting violence at a distance. No matter if it is used within the frame of the law or not. A vaccine has the intention of protection against disease. No matter if it is used within or outside the law. A fence contains the intent of separating…
I think you're right and it's possible to have something that exists with no other purpose than to cause harm. And it's not moral to make that thing. I also don't think it's fruitful to find the specific circumstances it's moral to eat babies (go down philosophical rabbit holes until you find the one time that doing something despicably immoral is actually the moral thing to do). But I would say the technology is the least important part of the problem. A moral person uses dangerous tools sparingly and intentionally harmful tools never. If Palantir did not exist, would they perform the raids? I think so.