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Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by nospice »

drewda wrote: post #153
ActorNightly wrote: post #82

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>A pickup truck should just be max utility, The problem is as soon as you go EV, you use a lot of utility from the get go. With a truck specifically, because its a brick aerodynamically. There is no reason to buy a Cybertruck or Lightning when you can get a gas or hybrid F150 (or a Raptor) for a little bit more, and be able to sit at 80 mph on highways without worrying about range. The biggest suprise about the light…

Here's a different aspect of utility: The F150 Lightning includes 120V and optionally 240V outlets, so it replaces the need to carry a separate gas-powered generator. That's probably more relevant to fleet vehicles for construction and maintenance firms than to individuals towing boats. But just to offer an example of how the F150 Lightning is a great fit for certain uses.

> Here's a different aspect of utility: The F150 Lightning includes 120V and optionally 240V outlets, so it replaces the need to carry a separate gas-powered generator.

A small generator costs few hundred bucks and fits comfortably in any truck actually used for work. It's a small perk that some pro users would probably pay for, but it's not a selling point for a radically different car design.

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by sejje »

jandrese wrote: post #92
karlgkk wrote: post #38

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Not really, sites are pretty much always spaced out. Ironically, it’s best for city and daily driving - it’s a pure luxury feature.

It would be amazing in the city if it weren't two lanes wide.

It's the same width as an F150

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by red-iron-pine »

Spooky23 wrote: post #200
billti wrote: post #13

I think the timing of the Cybertruck starting deliveries roughly aligning with when Elon got heavily involved in politics hurt it quite a bit. It is such a distinctive vehicle with a strong association with Elon, that there was an immediate brand association. It may have had poor sales anyway, but it certainly didn't help that many folks on the left, who are typically the most 'pro EV', had a large 'anti-Elon' shift…

Elon going off the deep end is the tail wagging the dog. It's an objectively terrible car. The collapse of the company overall, particularly the Model Y, which is a great car, is all about Elon. Not only his unveiling as a fascist, but he essentially looted the company.

pumped the stock and then tried to use the twitter buy as a way to sell greatly without taking the price too hard.

they wouldn't let him out of the sale -- he sued 3 times to get out of the twitter buy agreement -- so now he owns that too.

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

foobarian wrote: post #209
throwaway173738 wrote: post #119

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I decide if a truck is utilitarian by whether I have to flag a 2x4x8 in the bed or not.

I can fit one of those into my Ford Fiesta with the hatch closed. :smh:

Closed and latched? I find that hard to believe (used to own an 80s Honda Civic which would allow "closed but not latched" for 4x8 sheet goods) ...

Re: Ford F-150 Lightning outsold the Cybertruck and was then canceled for poor sales

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Post by zdragnar »

rjrjrjrj wrote: post #94
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #58

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A *working* truck should be max utility. All trucks should be working trucks. There is no reason to drive something that large and heavy that isn't better served by smaller vehicles that don't damage our shared infrastructure while being safer to drive.

The Santa Cruz is about the same size as a Santa Fe and weighs less. The Ford Maverick is a smaller vehicle but also a truck. It is a working truck for some, and a rec/handyman vehicle for others.

A Maverick is hardly a working truck. It's got the same towing capacity of an older Kia Sportage. It's got front wheel drive (or awd). It's a car with a bed, not a truck.

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Post by mdavid626 »

plorkyeran wrote: post #192
mdavid626 wrote: post #156

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That’s exactly the problem. I’d be happy to use an EV daily, as I drive short distances. But when I drive longer, then I don’t want to waste hours on charging. The other day I drove 700km in just about 5.5 hours (German Autobahn). Few stops to pee. With EV that would be few hours more (!). If this doesn’t bother you, then it’s fine. It matters to me though. Sometimes I also drive early in the morning 600km, and in th…

As long as there's a fast charging station somewhere along the route you'd need more like 30 minutes to charge midway through, not multiple hours. You also surely recognize that your driving patterns are very atypical and a car not working for them says very little about how suitable the car is for the market as a whole.

Assuming car can charge that fast. This is why I said “price and range”.

Renault 5 EV charges with 11kW.

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Post by matthewfcarlson »

I do not understand why we haven’t seen someone take a cybertruck and drop a new body on top. I see “put a model 3 into x” on YouTube all the time.

I would love to buy a cybertruck chassis with a VW bus or minivan on top (current political issues of Tesla aside).

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Post by nebula8804 »

doctorpangloss wrote: post #242
nebula8804 wrote: post #151

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They seem to be flooded on dealership lots and are not selling whatsoever. OEMs force dealers to take the crap vehicles if they are to get the good ones. You have a vehicle that started off as a hard sell to the crowd that normally buys the vehicle and then you make it so the price is astronomical...forget the dealer reluctance, what did you think was going to happen? [1]: https://youtu.be/F0SIL-ujtfA?t=532

Yeah I mean the obvious problem is that consumers specifically want to buy new ICE cars.

They will buy both ICE and EVs at the right price. I don't think Ford sells anything at the right price currently. But the Lightning was a mistake at that price.

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Post by nospice »

switchbak wrote: post #93
b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #58

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A *working* truck should be max utility. All trucks should be working trucks. There is no reason to drive something that large and heavy that isn't better served by smaller vehicles that don't damage our shared infrastructure while being safer to drive.

Oh sure, but look at the vast popularity of these monstrosities that never even see gravel. I get how you (and I) find that abhorrent, but there's clearly LOTS of folks that find a blinged out useless luxury pretend truck to be very attractive. I was in the market for a pickup recently. I had wanted to like the Cybertruck, but ... too damn ugly, too version 0.3, too many dweebs driving them, too many teething issues…

> Oh sure, but look at the vast popularity of these monstrosities that never even see gravel.

Normal-sized pickups aren't meant for offroading.

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Post by Workaccount2 »

alistairSH wrote: post #123
MostlyStable wrote: post #43

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I can do a ten hour road trip with a family of four plus a dog in a used (2022) EV that I got for ~30k last year. I think the idea that price and range are problems is exactly the misconception that op was taking about. They are somewhat more expensive, although when I originally did the calculus, fuel savings made up the difference in monthly payments for a new vehicle, but that's going to vary a lot. The is a very…

Now do the range/time/stops calculation with a travel trailer. Yes, if we're talking about normal family travel, an EV works fine for many trips (though there are still charging "dead spots" in parts of the country - looking at you WV). But, "truck stuff" like towing, they aren't there yet. Maybe in a few years when we get the next generation of battery and charger tech.

In truth you cannot really do this because range is a function of drag, not really weight.

So if you are towing a 2000lb empty box mobile home it's gonna be worse than towing an 8000lb flat bed of decorative boulders.

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