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Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by Nifty3929 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #182
Nifty3929 wrote: post #46

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The guns haven't been taken away only because people do care so much about the 2nd amendment. Those people understand that the 2nd amendment is the only ultimate defense for the people against the government. I too wish people also cared as much about the 1st amendment, but sadly I think the tide is turning on that. Too many on both the right and left seem okay with censorship and harassment.

With the government harassing, attacking, and now killing innocent American citizens, I'm not so sure if the second amendment is working out so well. With the ridiculous leeway American law enforcement has when it comes to harming people ("qualified immunity"), I don't think that second amendment will be relevant until there's an outright civil war happening. And when it comes to that, one or both sides have access t…

Not civil war, but a revolution. The 2nd amendment isn't worth much except as a very last resort, when the vast majority of people are willing to die to overthrow a government, as we're seeing in Iran.

The people claiming that having guns won't save you against the weight of the army are only partly correct. Having a few guns won't save me personally. I would certainly be killed on my own. But no government can kill everyone, either as a practical matter, or simply because you still need folks to produce the food. When everybody is armed, the government simply cannot oppress them to the same degree.

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Post by rtp4me »

billfor wrote: post #232
an0malous wrote: post #74

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There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

It's flagged because its historically not Hacker News. Many of the newer accounts seem to bias towards using this forum as a "reddit" to discuss how much they hate the current administration or their mental issues. The technical "hacker" content is getting less and less -- thank God for https://lobste.rs/ . So that's all fine and maybe hackers should just change be a reddit forum, but don't take it personally or be s…

Wow, thanks for this! I normally don't login to HN and comment anymore due to all the reddit-style comments - especially the constant hate for the US and the President. Thanks for giving me another outlet to review tech-related stuff.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

billfor wrote: post #232
an0malous wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

It's flagged because its historically not Hacker News. Many of the newer accounts seem to bias towards using this forum as a "reddit" to discuss how much they hate the current administration or their mental issues. The technical "hacker" content is getting less and less -- thank God for https://lobste.rs/ . So that's all fine and maybe hackers should just change be a reddit forum, but don't take it personally or be s…

Hating the current administration is one of the top technical issues on my mind. There is a substantial chance that all US-EU software collaboration is going to get blown up in the next few months if Trump makes good on his threats to invade Greenland, just as international trade has been reoriented around his illegal tariffs and responses to them.

When Trump decides to destroy your life, as he's destroyed so many others, I hope you'll find supporters who aren't so determined to ignore the inconvenience as you.

Re: FBI raids Washington Post reporter's home

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Post by vablings »

SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #167
potato3732842 wrote: post #29

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>Can you point to other instances of the FBI raiding homes of journalists to investigate leaks? James Burke, the Veritas guy, the ABC News guy, etc.

I think James O’Keeffe was the Project Veritas guy. He had a legally obtained the original of Ashley Biden’s diary. Joe Biden’s daughter. Where in it a page she wrote while in therapy said she had inappropriate showers with her father.

Legally obtained is dubious in this context. He likely knew it was stolen

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Post by beeflet »

NickC25 wrote: post #136
dabluecaboose wrote: post #56

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>Just a few years ago, their own supporters were smugly saying that standing up to the government is a fantasy for paranoid whackjobs. One dude in his home with a gun or two versus a 50 billion dollar ICE force that has complete immunity and a massive media and political empire ready to spin any bad incident into an us-versus-them narrative..... Yeah, it is a fantasy. Oh, and if anything really gets out of hand, that…

>One dude in his home with a gun or two versus a 50 billion dollar ICE force that has complete immunity and a massive media and political empire ready to spin any bad incident into an us-versus-them narrative.....

How does legal immunity or a media empire affect a dead man?

>Oh, and if anything really gets out of hand, that political empire also has nuclear weapons.

Nuclear weapons are not very useful in a civil conflict... Or pretty much any conflict

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Post by nutjob2 »

fzeroracer wrote: post #238
nickff wrote: post #77

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In the USA, the claim has to be convincing to a judge, so it’s not quite as arbitrary as you indicate.

In order for ICE to raid homes they need to have a valid warrant signed by a judge, but that doesn't seem to be stopping them in Minneapolis doing warrantless raids.

The current administration is utterly lawless.

That is relatively minor compared to ICE shooting protestors and then stopping people from giving them medical attention.

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Post by johnisgood »

ceejayoz wrote: post #196
johnisgood wrote: post #184

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> The American military couldn't handle rice farmers or goat herders Where can I read more about this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001%E2%80...

Yeah, but... the quoted phrase should not be taken literally as a statement about battlefield capability.

It was a political struggle for legitimacy, not just territory, and the enemy did not have to win any battles, just avoid losing until the political will collapsed.

The thing is, military power does not automatically translate to political success, and guerrilla fighters do not need to defeat tanks and jets, they just need to survive, persist, undermine legitimacy, and exhaust the opponent's political will.

So, in this sense, the US was not beaten by farmers, it was beaten by a strategy that made military superiority irrelevant.

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Post by MSFT_Edging »

quietbritishjim wrote: post #150
an0malous wrote: post #74

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There’s a good fraction of people, especially on this forum, who are actively encouraging this. Posts that criticize the administration consistently get flagged off the front page even when they’re related to tech

You are severely misreading why people flag posts about that discuss the administration (whether for or against): they are tiresome to read about, and it doesn't lead to productive interesting discussion (which is supposed to be what the vote buttons are for here). Politics isn't 100% off topic for HN but mostly I come here to get away from it and I'm sure others do too.

There is also a conflict of interest for many in the tech space who browse this forum. Many of the technologies we work on are being abused by this administration.

IE Flock being a ycombinator startup, Ring cameras giving free access to police and others[1], AI systems being used for targeting dissent, ad-services and the data they vacuum up being bought by agencies to build up profiles for dissenting citizens[2]. We've watched this type of technology even be used to target the families of people in warzones to explicitly perform war crimes[3].

This is a forum of people who have effectively built the panopticon but don't enjoy hearing about how the panopticon is being used. Politics is now interwoven into our careers whether we like it or not. There is no pure technology, everything we work on effects the world for better or worse. Pulling the wool over our eyes to pretend there's a pure non-political form of talking about these topics is childish and naive.

[1] https://www.cnet.com/home/security/amazons-ring-cameras-push... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/26/tech/the-nsa-buys-americans-i... [3] https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/09/10/questions-and-answers-is...

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Post by bluGill »

peab wrote: post #194
njovin wrote: post #138

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I don't know if it's fair to say we're chilling - there have been fairly organized (although admittedly not very large) protests around the nation related to the killing of Nicole Renee Good. I live in southern California and there were at least 6 within easy driving distance this past weekend. Whenever ICE goes into a new city, they're meeting more and more community resistance. The protestors have mostly been very…

I understand protesting ICE for better accountability, they certainly need to be held accountable. But I don't understand those who protest the presence of ICE as a concept. Are there any countries that don't enforce their immigration laws?

My libertarian philosophy is not compatible with immigration laws in general. I'm not quite let everyone in - but I require strong reason to not let someone in. People should have the right to move, only restricted in the worst cases.
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