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Influencers and OnlyFans models are dominating U.S. O-1 visa requests

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Post by whattheheckheck »

amelius wrote: post #236
bluescrn wrote: post #197

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Extracting money from horny young men with an illusion of intimacy/friendship just doesn't seem ethical. Or good for society as a whole. Especially when you've got streamers using sites like Twitch, aimed at younger gamers, promoting their OnlyFans porn. The regular porn industry is bad enough ( https://traffickinghub.com/ ), but at least the content is non-interactive, there's no pretence of friendship/connection.

Most users understand that there is no real friendship. Just like people understand that the violence in movies is fake. What makes an onlyfans contributor worse than an actor in a violent movie?

Good question read up on it

https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pornography-censorship/

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Post by tantalor »

pb7 wrote: post #163
aiauthoritydev wrote: post #127

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I am not a lawyer. But OF models using O1 visa is totally fine. It is the intended purpose. The visa itself is meant for researchers, scholars who have job offers, athletes, actors etc. it has no cap and clear criteria. OF models who make a lot of money should totally qualify for this. Also this visa in uncapped so giving visas to OF models does not take away anything from scientists and others. O visa's original int…

Why does someone doing OF need to be in the country? You can upload pictures from anywhere.

It's not that they need to be in the country; they want to be in the country.

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Post by borroka »

tamimio wrote: post #214

Golden age!! Try now to convince a young person to become a doctor or an engineer, when an OF individual can make in a day what they will make in 40y, assuming they found a job anyway. Idiocracy was a glimpse into the future, not a movie.

Couldn't the same be said of all professions in which some people earn a lot, such as acting, sports, singing, entertainment in general, and which are considered less “serious” than the professions of medical doctor and engineer?

One might say that, in theory, the well-earning actor or actress has to show some craft at least, but there are plenty of actors whose popularity comes only from their looks--my dog would act better than them.

A lot of the youngsters who'd decide to make money undressing themselves on OF will soon realize they might have the will, but they lack the market power.

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Post by ghef453 »

gampleman wrote: post #149
nemomarx wrote: post #27

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how would it be interpreted as prostitution? the close analogue is porn stars right

Porn comes from pornē, Greek for prostitute. So at least etymologically (and arguably logically as both involve sex for money) porn is prostitution. If that’s accepted, then I find it hard not to also accept OF as a form of prostitution.

School comes from skholē, Greek for "leisure" or "spare time.".

Therefore people can't be stressed for finals at university, since it's all leisure!

“Etymologically, X comes from Y, therefore X is a form of Y” is quite the jump in logic...

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Post by natas »

One of my past manager was on a O-1 (in a tech company); he was from india. So, it goes like this, you register to be a presenter in a conference, copy some material from another tech talk and (re-)present it there as a novelty (rince and repeat). Pretty Simple. Step #2, create your facebook, youtube channel (etc.) and buy subscribers (from mediamister.com, getafollower.com, views4you.com, socialwick.com, buzzoid.com, etc) which is perfectly legal; he must have spent 10% of his salary to buy millions of subscribers; and that's how he's been working in tech for the past 10+ years.

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Post by yowayb »

superfrank wrote: post #10

It's funny, early on it says > The O-1 category includes the O-1A, which is designated for individuals with extraordinary ability in the sciences, education, business or athletics and the O-1B, reserved for those with “extraordinary ability or achievement”. Then later it says > The O-1B visa, once reserved for Hollywood titans and superstar musicians, has evolved over the years. I understand those two aren't necessar…

I personally find this opinion typical of HN readers, and I argue that successful influencers/pretty-people can easily beat more serious professions in terms of economic value, because the vast majority of people are more human than the average HN reader.

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Post by casey2 »

boelboel wrote: post #177
ericmcer wrote: post #55

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Influencers as the future of culture is not great. Hollywood had a ton of issues but it at least had some... class? If you watch an interview with Mr. Beast or other famous influencers they are concerningly ignorant, have little self-awareness and a child-like approach to reality. It makes total sense given these are teenagers who were lauded with fame for entertaining other teenagers on social media. I watched the M…

“but it at least had some... class” Not if you’d have asked the WASPs at the time, they very much looedk down on Hollywood. Saw it as vulgar and beneath them for many of the same reasons people dislike MrBeast. The 'class' only came afterwards.

Which is weird cause it's all but certain MrBeast will be president in the near future. But maybe they just don't view the president as classy?

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Post by touristtam »

natas wrote: post #266

One of my past manager was on a O-1 (in a tech company); he was from india. So, it goes like this, you register to be a presenter in a conference, copy some material from another tech talk and (re-)present it there as a novelty (rince and repeat). Pretty Simple. Step #2, create your facebook, youtube channel (etc.) and buy subscribers (from mediamister.com, getafollower.com, views4you.com, socialwick.com, buzzoid.com…

This is just a sad read. And probably worth an in-depth article.
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