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The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by close04 »

CalRobert wrote: post #249
close04 wrote: post #228

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Mainly because they were introduced when the seats were set farther apart. Now companies squeeze more rows and keep the same seats. But also because with any shared resource there's an expectation of decency involved. Some people just betray that expectation. They're the ones with the mentality that "they shouldn't have served alcohol if they didn't want me to get insufferably drunk", "they shouldn't have put the can…

People generally didn’t even offer her a seat on the metro. And letting other people decide whether you should be permitted to use the functionality the airline has given you is dysfunctional people pleasing.

> dysfunctional people pleasing

Your "dysfunctional people pleasing" is someone else's "not being a total dick". As I said, there's no law against it. It's all about character and education (or lack thereof). Some people even think they must brag about it because why else would they have a mouth and keyboard.

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Post by kstrauser »

tayo42 wrote: post #162
crystal_revenge wrote: post #113

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> when the person in front of me reclines their seat. As a reasonably tall person I have never reclined my seat and will forever consider anyone who does an asshole. The very fact that you can but don’t do something is the precise space where assholeness is defined.

I have never come across this opinion until it seemed to have blown up on the internet in the last few years.

Seats have gotten smaller. It wasn’t a big deal 30 years ago because you could reclining without mashing the person behind you.

It’s kind of like a yoga studio with mats 3 feet apart when they use to be 6. You’re allowed, and encouraged, to spread your arms out wide, but now if you do you’re going to have a hand in your neighbor’s face. The yoga studio laughs at the visitors arguing about whether one’s an asshole for using their arm space, or for telling others to stop slapping them in the face, when the whole thing is their fault.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by ahtihn »

close04 wrote: post #225
CalRobert wrote: post #187

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Flights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant… Not to mention that when my wife was pregnant she could barely manage her back pain -with- the recline, never mind without. The recline button is there for your use. You are welcome to avail of it yourself.

> Flights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant Same flight with someone's seat resting on your knees is downright painful. > when my wife was pregnant Imagine if she was a bit taller and someone reclined the seat all the way over her. > The recline button is there for your use You're right, like any shared resource, "space" is there for you to use. It doesn't mean you have to use it, you could try to b…

I'm 185cm and I couldn't imagine having to endure a long haul flight without reclining.

I never get these discussions. It's only ever online that I see complaints. Almost everyone reclines on long flights. It's normal. It's expected. If it makes you uncomfortable that's a you problem, everyone else seems fine with it. If it makes you physically uncomfortable, pay for extra leg room. Don't make your problem the problem of another passenger.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by Dylan16807 »

jibal wrote: post #252
Dylan16807 wrote: post #198

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Either you're playing around by extending a joke to the point that I can't follow it, or you forgot to read the first sentence of your own article.

Your problem is that you have only one comment's worth of context and can't be bothered to read up the thread. The comment was "Don't be surprised when you learn their so-called "chess bots" are actually people, lying hidden below the floor of the passenger cabin, moving pieces with the help of levers and magnets." That was a joke about the Mechanical Turk (as a response to "I used to fly a lot of Turkish, and their…

You are making unwarranted assumptions here. I read the comments in order.

tomjakubowski joked about the mechanical turk. anematode recognized the reference, you recognized the reference, and I recognized the reference.

But you didn't reply to tomjakubowski as a general explainer to the audience. You replied to anematode. You replied to anematode in a way that suggested they needed the joke explained, even though they not only understood it, they expanded on it.

That's what I didn't comprehend. Why did you reply there and phrase it like that. And you still haven't explained.

Your claim that [["Amazon Mechanical Turk" does not involve hidden people moving the pieces with the help of levers and magnets and has nothing to do with chess bots on Turkish airlines.]] makes it sound like you still don't understand anematode's joke. Amazon's mechanical turk is named after the original mechanical turk. It has very much to do with turkish chess bots.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by ChipopLeMoral »

tmathmeyer wrote: post #7

Not only is the delta chessbot bad (My low 1600s lichess-elo self can win handily every single time against any difficulty, white or black), but there's also a sequence of moves I found which deterministically causes the game to crash. I should probably record it next time I'm on a flight.

If, as people suggest, the difficulty is time based, it would be easier on older planes.

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by s1gsegv »

xxs wrote: post #196
owenversteeg wrote: post #163

In short: it plays far too well (~2500 ELO.) People think it originally played at a reasonable level and accidentally got more powerful as the seatback computers got more powerful; the same thing happened to the Mac chess app with the release of the M1.

>Mac chess app with the release of the M1. That would be exceptionally sloppy development. Phones have had more than enough power for long enough. 4 core Skylake (Mac 2016) would be well beyond human capabilities, if it's just raw power. The "thinking" (difficult) limit should be considered moves ahead, both depth and count. With a possible limit to time, if there is any time control.

You can code review it for yourself, it’s open source: https://github.com/apple-oss-distributions/Chess/tree/Chess-...

IIRC it does just set a time limit on thinking

Re: The chess bot on Delta Air Lines will destroy you (2024) [video]

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Post by close04 »

ahtihn wrote: post #263
close04 wrote: post #225

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> Flights from sfo to Frankfurt bolt upright sound unpleasant Same flight with someone's seat resting on your knees is downright painful. > when my wife was pregnant Imagine if she was a bit taller and someone reclined the seat all the way over her. > The recline button is there for your use You're right, like any shared resource, "space" is there for you to use. It doesn't mean you have to use it, you could try to b…

I'm 185cm and I couldn't imagine having to endure a long haul flight without reclining. I never get these discussions. It's only ever online that I see complaints. Almost everyone reclines on long flights. It's normal. It's expected. If it makes you uncomfortable that's a you problem, everyone else seems fine with it. If it makes you physically uncomfortable, pay for extra leg room. Don't make your problem the proble…

> I never get these discussions. It's only ever online that I see complaints. everyone else seems fine with it

That's a skewed conclusion you're drawing. Are you really surprised that people aren't willing to risk escalating the situation on a plane, arguing with what's likely the very inconsiderate person in front of them? Most people have an aversion to conflict. It doesn't mean "they're fine with it". You probably don’t advertise in real life how much you lean back and not care who’s behind you out of fear that people will change your opinion of you. Real life is a harsh mistress.

I've bumped into people and they said "sorry", do you think they wanted me to bump into them, liked it, and actually believed it was their mistake? No, I just tower at close to 2m so they didn't want to escalate the situation.

P.S. I always look at who sits behind me, if they're "space constrained" or not, and almost always ask if I can recline. Sometimes I don't bother, clearly the person will suffer. Sometimes they said "I'd rather not, thank you". Many times they said "fine". I used to fly a lot and my experience was very clearly not that "everyone is fine". I was never fine even if I didn't start arguing. So how would you have known?

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Post by 542354234235 »

kstrauser wrote: post #259
nerdawson wrote: post #257

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If I have the option to recline my seat, and doing so is going to make me more comfortable, that’s what I’m going to do. I can live with the person behind me thinking I’m an asshole. The airline offers the facility and I won’t sacrifice my own needs for fear of upsetting a stranger.

“It’s all about me!” I suspect they’re not the only person around you who thinks you’re an asshole.

“It’s all about me!” Says the person that demands everyone conform to their preference.

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Post by kstrauser »

542354234235 wrote: post #268
kstrauser wrote: post #259

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“It’s all about me!” I suspect they’re not the only person around you who thinks you’re an asshole.

“It’s all about me!” Says the person that demands everyone conform to their preference.

I mean, do whatever you want that doesn’t hurt people around you. But when it hurts them, it’s time to ask whether our own convenience is worth the pain we’re causing.

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Post by mywittyname »

spydr wrote: post #159
kimixa wrote: post #133

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That happened to me when I had an ipad in a standing case and the seat in front cranked back - trapping then pinging the tablet across me and by neighbour's lap. Though the ipad itself wasn't damaged, a couple of glasses didn't make it, and required the steward to try to brush up whatever fragments of glass they could. I feel that airlines are a microcosm of "Do you care about who you actions might affect?" - similar…

> do you care about who your actions might affect This one surprises me every time I fly. When I have the aisle seat I can be up and out in 10 seconds. It seems to make like everyone else will plop down , place down 3 different liquids on the tray and then take a nap. When I ask to use the bathroom I end up feeling like a nuisance

> When I ask to use the bathroom I end up feeling like a nuisance

It's your right to ask to use the bathroom whenever you need. And others have the right to use that little tray for their stuff when they want. (while allowed by the airline, of course)

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