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Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by quacked »

kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

I dug out my dad's Windows 98 era PC that he was running Windows 2000 on that we hadn't turned on since 2011, and it felt lightning-fast compared to W10 and W11. Double-click to open apps and they appear, ready to type in. It felt like I was on some kind of futuristic prototype.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by novaleaf »

Rohansi wrote: post #218
ipdashc wrote: post #200

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bit of a clickbaity way of phrasing it, but I'm also curious what the result was? From googling it I don't see any stories about recent changes to the calculator app, other than a few features like graphing.

I just tried it on regular Windows 11 Pro and it just opened the calculator.

I bet the friend just pressed the Windows key, and typing "Calc" and quickly pressing enter caused Bing to search for calc instead. Common failure because window's start-menu search/load/discovery is a total mess.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by user205738 »

pico303 wrote: post #88
smt88 wrote: post #53

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MacOS is a buggy mess, and it's also pretty slow lately. If you need full Office for work, your best bet is probably still Windows.

As a software engineer who has developed on Macs (and Linux) for most of my career and has recently started a job that requires me to use Windows again, I can tell you from experience that Office on the Mac is far, far more stable, easy to use, and considerably faster than on Win11. Microsoft’s macOS team are really good at their jobs. But then I don’t find macOS to be slow or a buggy mess, so mileage may vary.

I totally agree with you, just yesterday I edited a document in Microsoft word and opened the second document for comparison. Suddenly, the first document froze and when I closed the program, I did not see the changes that I had made before. After complaining about my life, I started anew, and only the next time I downloaded Word offered me a recovery option.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by laughing_man »

kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

The ads in the start menu and the notifications were the last straw for me.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by agumonkey »

quacked wrote: post #261
kryogen1c wrote: post #55

The fact that, on expensive hardware, I can hit windows+r and start typing before the run box renders/loads is staggering, it beggars belief. Im generally a microsoft shill, but theyre really on the down hill slope. windows 11 is truly a masterpiece of changes no one asked for or wants, Teams is the least reliable piece of business software I've ever seen. New outlook does not have feature parity with old outlook and…

I dug out my dad's Windows 98 era PC that he was running Windows 2000 on that we hadn't turned on since 2011, and it felt lightning-fast compared to W10 and W11. Double-click to open apps and they appear, ready to type in. It felt like I was on some kind of futuristic prototype.

I had similar impressions with multiple setup:

    - dell p2 300 win95
    - early core duo era with linux 2.4 (some kali linux image)
in both cases there was something very odd, the crude os design (no parallel systemd etc), gui toolkit and desktop environment (no compositor, glitchy) wasn't an issue and the low amount of lag felt very good. it's the same feeling when driving 90s cars, the drive feels directly connected to the whole, it's cruder but it feels better

and saying this as a fan of recent linux kernel and systemd parallelism with the crazy cpu over ssd speed.. i was utterly surprised

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by wobfan »

Mathnerd314 wrote: post #259
skrebbel wrote: post #197

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This is common for any self-updating software that you use infrequently. A friend of mine complained that he hated how Firefox "always" wants to restart with an update. I couldn't understand what he was on about. Turned out I use Firefox daily and he uses it like once every 2 months to test something and yeah, Firefox has an update out every 2 months or so, so that fits. It's the same with Windows (and, I assume, mac…

I update Linux maybe once a year. Sure, there are security vulnerabilities. But I'm behind a firewall. And meanwhile, I don't have to spend any time dealing with update issues.

But Windows is made for the big masses. It's definitely a good thing that Microsoft forces Auto-Updates, because otherwise 95% of people would run around with devices that have gaping security holes. And 90% of these people are not being a firewall 100% of their time.

Side effect unfortunately is that they are shoving ad- and bloatware down your throat through these updates.

But that is, because Microsoft does not care about the end user at all. It's not the fault of auto-updates.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by zaruvi »

hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #176
pico303 wrote: post #69

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I remember reading that even the Start menu is now a React app.

Apparently this is not entirely true. It’s just a section of the start menu that’s based on React/React Native.

Regardless, at least a few of my colleagues using Windows have reported issues with the new start menu. It seems very slow, and sometimes you have to close & reopen it for content to appear.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by tartoran »

pxoe wrote: post #232
spikej wrote: post #36

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Even without the AI, it's replacing native apps with web based ones. Case in point: Notepad. It's slower than WordPad on Win 10... and crashes!

What does notepad have to do with web based apps? case in what point? New Notepad in 11, with tabs and autosave (and dark mode), is so much better and more practical to use over old one, it just stays open all the time and become my main notetaking pick. It may take a beat to open a big file (1+ mb) with line wrapping, but it's pretty much just as fast as anything (and may be even faster than some other editors). It'…

I've been a Notepad++ user for about 20 years. It's a pain to use it in Win11 as they force their crappy notepad on context menus and such. It's still usable (with some registry changes) but annoying that they're doogfooding their own an keep on changing settings on updates. I'm only using Win11 at work, I'm done with Windows and MS otherwise.

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by hulitu »

schmuckonwheels wrote: post #87
hackyhacky wrote: post #66

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Or: Steve Ballmer oversaw the decline of Mircosoft's flagship product, but left before he could be blamed for it. A lot of Windows' current problems can be traced back to the Ballmer era, including the framework schizophrenia, as Microsoft shifted between Win32, UWP, WPF, and god knows what else. This has lead to the current chaotic and disjointed UI experience, and served to confuse and drive away developers. Repeat…

>including the framework schizophrenia, as Microsoft shifted between Win32, UWP, WPF Ah yes, and the solution being presented is Linux, with Xlib, Motif, Qt, GTK, and your choice of 167 different desktop environments. Don't forget the whole Wayland schism. Mac is no better, shifting SDKs every few years, except Apple goes one step further by breaking all legacy applications so you are forced to upgrade. Can't be schi…

> Xlib, Motif, Qt, GTK,

Xlib and Motif are stable APIs. Qt and ... GTK on the other hand...

Re: Microsoft May Have Created the Slowest Windows in 25 Years with Windows 11

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Post by ada0000 »

HPsquared wrote: post #175
ada0000 wrote: post #110

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Microsoft has the resources to train people.

But does any junior want to learn C++ Win32? You want to learn something that leads to a long-term career development path, not a sunsetting technology.

They would want to learn Winforms/WPF/WinUI/whatever if microsoft could settle on one and use it. I suppose part of the react native stuff is that Microsoft hasn’t done a good job of making people, even in Microsoft, bet the farm on any of their “native” toolkits.
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