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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by harambae »

tavavex wrote: post #147
plagiarist wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they be burning anything? They find you with the exploit and then use parallel construction to make arrests. The location toggle does nothing to prevent your carrier (and by extension your government) from determining location from cell towers. If you trust there is no remote exploit, the minimum would at least include turning off cellular signals.

But those comments weren't just about location - everyone knows that triangulation based on cell towers is a viable option as long as you're connected to some. But they also claimed that airplane mode, which is supposed to disable most communications modules in your phone, including the cellular modem, would be ineffective at doing that. To me that seems to reach into "the US government can remotely turn your phone o…

>everyone knows that triangulation based on cell towers

*trilateration

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trilateration

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by SpicyLemonZest »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #245
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fundamentally disagree that ICE deserves that presumption. They have repeatedly demonstrated themselves to be unreasonable people who want to hurt others. I'm sure there's a story they'll tell about why it was totally legal to shoot her, but they're murderers and you're supporting murderers until they prove that there was she was doing something so terrible they had no choice.

Hm, as with taxes, do we get to choose which federal enforcement agency we are willing to submit to? Not going to lie man, it is a fascinating frame of mind to me and I am absolutely willing to talk to you about it if you wanna go that route. This is not exactly how any of it works, at all. I am not being difficult man, but I don't get to, say, block FBI caravan, because I don't think they deserve 'that' presumption…

They just shot another couple in Portland. I get to tell them, and you, to fuck off as much as I'd like. I encourage you to get on board with the right side of this issue while you have the chance.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by steele »

dylan604 wrote: post #133
steele wrote: post #78

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Analog recording and viewing may need to become the state of the art given how low the bar has become to manipulate digital media

great news! this old shoulder mount with a strap mounted VHS recorder will finally be able to come out of storage and find a new life! /s not sure why you feel analog recording is necessary. just need a camera that isn't part of a phone. any DSLR, MFT, Mirrorless cameras would be just as good. however, there's something to be said about live streaming so that even if the camera is confiscated the images are already p…

I don't disagree with you about the encumbrance and impractically, but the live streaming providers could eventually become unreliable or compromised in a number of ways (genAI, political pressure, advocacy for an agenda of its leadership)

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by steele »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #185
SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #170

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What's infuriating is that you are acting as an agent of the government, defending their murder of a random citizen, but perceive yourself and frame yourself as a dispassionate observer who's interested in the media dynamics of how different descriptors get attached to people. I don't know if you started off like this, or if you're so deep in DHS propaganda that you can't find your way out, and right now I don't care…

The difference between us that I know exactly what ( and even why ) I advocate for: keeping the system stable. She was a not some random citizen; I would have been addressing it differently if that was the case. Now, if you have a stomach for it, we can go over what kind of citizen she was.

What kind of citizen was she, comrade?

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by iugtmkbdfil834 »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #262
iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hm, as with taxes, do we get to choose which federal enforcement agency we are willing to submit to? Not going to lie man, it is a fascinating frame of mind to me and I am absolutely willing to talk to you about it if you wanna go that route. This is not exactly how any of it works, at all. I am not being difficult man, but I don't get to, say, block FBI caravan, because I don't think they deserve 'that' presumption…

They just shot another couple in Portland. I get to tell them, and you, to fuck off as much as I'd like. I encourage you to get on board with the right side of this issue while you have the chance.

Good luck out there friend. I am not sure what you meant to say, but it may be a good idea to stop here for both of us. I see no reason to continue this further.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by NeutralCrane »

jtfrench wrote: post #7
phillipcarter wrote: post #3

The most maximally vindictive candidates are earning my votes in the coming election.

What if their maximally vindictive traits just makes them want to use the same invasive tools and techniques?

They already are. Playing nice and hoping the other side will come to their senses and return to normalcy doesn’t make sense when they’ve already shown you they will try to destroy you regardless.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by [deleted] »

baggy_trough wrote: post #249
embedding-shape wrote: post #229

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> I mean, who else is using a pager in Lebanon? But they can impossibly actually know who physically has the pager next to them, when they're triggering them. This is the "failing to verify each target" part.

That's not a very realistic standard for a wartime covert operation.

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Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by hypeatei »

RickJWagner wrote: post #224
thrance wrote: post #200

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Quite the opposite actually. Democrats have been so complacent with the proto-fascists for so long, that republicans will now justify murdering a mother in broad daylight, filmed under 3 angles clearly showing she is fearing for her life. The solution to fascism is not compromise and weakness.

We live in different worlds, friend. Please know there are people across the aisle that view it differently. When things calm down, talk with them and learn. Nobody wins when we insist the world is only as we alone view it.

> talk with them and learn

No. Democrats always take the high road and what has that gotten them? A fascist regime and a political movement (MAGA) that floods the zone with bullshit when the gestapo does something bad.

Republicans stormed the capitol, killed police officers, and delayed the election process. What happened to them? Some lackeys got put in jail, and no one at the top faced consequences. Trump then pardoned all of those criminals for their service. Crickets from MAGAts and Republicans.

Laying your weapon down while someone keeps hitting literally just results in you ceasing to exist. Trump and all of his cabinet members are openly vile and called the woman who was shot a domestic terrorist before her body was even cold. Same situation with Charlie Kirk: they were calling the shooter a radical leftist before the body was cold. Meanwhile Dems are asked to disavow every action if it's even somewhat related to them and to "talk and learn"... yeah no that window has passed.

Hold your side accountable for the insane lies, corruption, and awful things they do first then maybe we can talk about reaching across the aisle.

EDIT: stop deluding yourself into thinking you're a "center right" voter too. It's obvious from previous interactions and your post history that you're drinking the MAGA koolaid.

Re: ICE's Tool to Monitor Phones in Neighborhoods

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Post by xethos »

drnick1 wrote: post #215
gruez wrote: post #157

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>You practically can't do anything on a Googled Android device or iOS without a Google or Apple account, so no, they don't provide "similar privacy." If you're talking about not being able to install third party apps, aurora store doesn't require an account and works fine on stock android. Most other basic functionality works fine too, eg. camera, calls, browsing, maps.

> If you're talking about not being able to install third party apps, aurora store doesn't require an account and works fine on stock android. Most other basic functionality works fine too, eg. camera, calls, browsing, maps. The Play Store is not the only issue with stock Android devices. Google dependencies run with high privileges and the device is constantly communicating with Google servers for one reason or anot…

The point about de-Google'd Android vs your insistence on GrapheneOS is that by the time you are using Google's libraries, like Maps, Play Services, or their notification service (Firebase, IIRC), you've already lost. GrapheneOS is not dramatically better than de-Google'd Android if you're still sending all your notifications through Google, as well as your location and things like contacts

The point is you have to leave Google with both for it to do much good

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