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Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Yeah, that's because the original npus were a rush job, the amd AI Max is the only one that's worth anything in my opinion.

The Apple M series chips are solid for inference.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought everyone was still doing inference on the GPU for Apple silicon.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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As someone who spent a year writing an SDK specifically for AI PCs, it always felt like a solution in search of a problem. Like watching dancers in bunny suits sell CPUs, if the consumer doesn't know the pain point you're fixing, they won't buy your product.

It's even worse and sadder. Consumers already paid a premium for that, because the monopolists in place made it unavoidable. And now, years later, engineers (who usually are your best advocates and evangelists when it comes to bringing new technologies to the material world) are desperate to find any reason at all for those things to exist and not be a complete waste of money and resources.

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I don't know how many others here have a CoPilot+ PC but the NPU on it is basically useless. There isn't any meaningful feature I get by having that NPU. They are far too limited to ever do any meaningful local LLM inference, image processing or generation. It handles stuff like video chat background blurring, but users' PC's have been doing that for years now without an NPU.

NPUs were pushed by Microsoft, who saw the writing on the wall: AI like chatgpt will dominate the user's experience, edge computing is a huge advantage in that regard, and Apple's hardware can do it. NPUs are basically Microsoft trying to fudge their way to a llamacpp-on-Apple-Silicon experience. Obviously it failed, but they couldn't not try.

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> It's not that Dell doesn't care about AI or AI PCs anymore, it's just that over the past year or so it's come to realise that the consumer doesn't. I wish every consumer product leader would figure this out.

People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

You know what that reminds me very much of? That email client thing that asks you "did you forget to add an attachment?". That's been there for 3 decades (if not longer) before LLMs were a thing, so I'll pass on it and keep waiting for that truly amazing LLM-enabled capability that we couldn't dream of before. Any minute, now.

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> "One thing you'll notice is the message we delivered around our products was not AI-first," Dell head of product, Kevin Terwilliger says with a smile. "So, a bit of a shift from a year ago where we were all about the AI PC."

> "We're very focused on delivering upon the AI capabilities of a device—in fact everything that we're announcing has an NPU in it—but what we've learned over the course of this year, especially from a consumer perspective, is they're not buying based on AI," Terwilliger says bluntly. "In fact I think AI probably confuses them more than it helps them understand a specific outcome."

He's talking about marketing. They're still gonna shove it into anything and everything they can. They just aren't gonna tell you about it.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

Honestly some of the recommendations to watch next I get on Netflix are pretty good. No idea if they are AI Netflix doesn't tell and I don't ask. AI is just a toxic brand at this point IMO.

This was a really innovative and big deal back in the day.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netflix_Prize

It doesn’t fix the content problem these days though.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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Protip, if you are considering a dell xps laptop, consider the dell precision laptop workstation instead which is the business version of the consumer level xps. It also looks like names are being changed, and the business laptops are going with a dell pro (essential/premium/plus/max) naming convention.

I just want a solid laptop that can be used with the lid closed. I want to set it up and never open the lid again. I'll guess I'll keep dreaming.

We used to call those 'desktops'...

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> It's not that Dell doesn't care about AI or AI PCs anymore, it's just that over the past year or so it's come to realise that the consumer doesn't. I wish every consumer product leader would figure this out.

People will want what LLMs can do they just don't want "AI". I think having it pervade products in a much more subtle way is the future though. For example, if you close a youtube browser tab with a comment half written it will pop up an `alert("You will lose your comment if you close this window")`. It does this if the comment is a 2 page essay or "asdfasdf". Ideally the alert would only happen if the comment seemed…

Hopefully, you could make a browser extension to detect if a HTML form has unsaved changes; it should not require AI and LLM. (This will work better without the document including JavaScripts, but it is possible to work with JavaScripts too.)

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Macs fundamentally can't be personal computers since they're entirely controlled by apple. Any computer running nonfree software can't be a personal one

lol so the IBM PC isn't a PC?

There are free BIOSes.

Re: Dell admits consumers don't care about AI PCs

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I did use whisper last night to get the captions out of a video file. The standard whisper tool from OpenAI uses CPU. It took more than 20 minutes to fully process a video file that was a little more than an hour long. During that time my 20-Core CPU was pegged at 100% utilization and the fan got very loud. I then downloaded an Intel version that used the NPU. CPUs stayed close to 0% and fans remained quiet. Total task was completed in about 6 minutes.

NPUs can be useful for some cases. The AI PC crap is ill thought out however.

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