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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by exceptione »

postexitus wrote: post #190
exceptione wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It isn't that hard. A democracy can be maximally liberal, including the internet, up to the Tolerance Paradox: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance The people that govern Big Tech have said as much as that they don't believe in democracy, they show they don't believe in fair markets, and they are put to work to implement the threats of a crazy but powerful clique, attacking free and social democracies w…

Tolerance Paradox is not a "Tolerance Threshold" - it's a Paradox. You cannot be maximally liberal "up to Tolerance Paradox" - as soon as you are maximally liberal to any threshold, you are no longer liberal - hence the paradox.

  >  you are no longer liberal - hence the paradox.
It seems you define liberal in a rigid way. What I tried to convey is that for any Tolerance to exist, it has room to tolerate anything except Anti-Tolerance, as part of its essence. Paradox isn't a contradiction ("you are no longer liberal"), it is something that might seem like a contradiction. But maybe we agree about that and my wording was confusing.

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Post by stuartloxton »

miroljub wrote: post #254
Quothling wrote: post #4

I've spent a couple of decades in the Danish public sector of digitalisation and in the private sector for global green energy. 10 years ago people would've laughed if you talked about leaving Microsoft and iOS in enterprise. Now we all have contingency plans for just that, and a lot of organisations are already actually doing it. So I would argue that there is more of a crack, but I'm not sure the post-american inte…

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The european parliament is elected by citizens, and the council is formed of the heads of state of each member country (which would have been elected in the way each country decides).

Which part with direct power isn't elected?

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by piyuv »

viktorcode wrote: post #257

> We wouldn't tolerate secrecy in the calculations used to keep our buildings upright, and we shouldn't tolerate opacity in the software that keeps our tractors, hearing aids, ventilators, pacemakers, trains, games consoles, phones, CCTVs, door locks, and government ministries working. Construction industry if full of privately owned technologies and closed source software, from architectural drawing board up to the…

He wrote “calculations”

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by miroljub »

chkchk wrote: post #232
atwrk wrote: post #209

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no it means u_sama has (correctly, IMO) observed that the US has made it very clear in the past year that they don't regard the EU as an ally. I mean the openly talk about annexing EU territory right now .

That assumes that all Americans support the actions of the current administration. I know of no one that supports these actions.

I don't see mass protests across USA against Grenland policy of current US regime.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by viktorcode »

ryandrake wrote: post #10

I'm not sure what benefit any country outside of the USA gets for honoring trade agreements that bind them to enforce US anti-circumvention, US copyright, and US DRM. A fortune awaits any country who has the guts to say "you know what, USA, we're going to allow blatantly copying your shit--what are you going to do, tariff us? Oh, wait, you already are!"

If by fortune you mean the said country won’t be able to protect its own IP abroad, then I agree

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by miroljub »

akie wrote: post #183
TylerLives wrote: post #180

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What about censorship?

What the US media (and Elon Musk) call EU censorship is actually a request to follow EU rules if they want to operate in the EU market. What, exactly, is controversial about that?

That's the definition of censorship.

Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by kardianos »

> That's where Trump came from: a coalition of billionaires, white nationalists, Christian bigots, authoritarians, conspiratorialists, imperialists,

Uh, no.

I've been told my entire life it is good for me to ship jobs overseas and for the country I live in, to be a "service" industry. I thought it was crazy then, as I do now.

The Trump coalition is the ONLY administration who has meaningfully reversed policies that push jobs away from my own country.

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Post by notrealyme123 »

miroljub wrote: post #260
Fnoord wrote: post #246

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If my choice is an American company which does tracking, and a European company which does tracking, then I as European prefer the European one. Because they can be held accountable in a court of law. In Russia or China, that isn't the case. And it doesn't seem like it remains the case in USA. SCOTUS, for example, has been a political instrument for a long, long time.

As an European I'd be rather tracked by an American (out Chinese, Russian, ...) company than by an EU or European regimes. Those companies are less likely to imprison or censor me than the regime who rules over Europe.

Yes, no imprisonment or censorship happening in the us.

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Post by Reimersholme »

Fnoord wrote: post #246
Quothling wrote: post #226

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> The idea that EU surveillance is greater than US surveillance is almost certainly mistaken. Well yes, but that doesn't mean we want EU surveillance to replace it.

If my choice is an American company which does tracking, and a European company which does tracking, then I as European prefer the European one. Because they can be held accountable in a court of law. In Russia or China, that isn't the case. And it doesn't seem like it remains the case in USA. SCOTUS, for example, has been a political instrument for a long, long time.

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Re: The Post-American Internet

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Post by ChoGGi »

b40d-48b2-979e wrote: post #217
apples_oranges wrote: post #121

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But can't be bothered to avoid Palantir or Microsoft.. that would be TOO tough! Learn all those new buttons (once) and that confusion with ~ instead of C:\. Oh the difficulties! :D

Your analogy kind of falls on its face considering `C:\` is `/` not `~` which would be `%USERPROFILE%`.

How do I get to d:\apps from c:\
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