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HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by Qem »

downrightmike wrote: post #213
shevy-java wrote: post #46

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> Unless you plan to remain completely celibate You can get HPV without sex too. https://www.cdc.gov/sti/about/about-genital-hpv-infection.ht... "HPV is most commonly spread during vaginal or anal sex. It also spreads through close skin-to-skin touching during sex" This focuses on sex, but any virus that can be found on skin, also has a chance to be transmitted without sex just as well. Admittedly the chance here for…

Foot warts are HPV, like from the Gym locker room

Armpit skin tags also seem to be related to some HPV strains: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skin_tag

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by fuckyah »

stared wrote: post #40

I would like to add: - HPVs are extremely common: 80% of men and 90% of women will have at least one strain in their lives. Unless you plan to remain completely celibate, you are likely to contract a strain. - Sooner is better, but vaccination can be done at any age. Guidelines often lag behind, but vaccination makes sense even if you are currently HPV-positive. While it won't clear an existing infection, it protects…

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Post by nephihaha »

resoluteteeth wrote: post #67
nephihaha wrote: post #28

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A better comparison would be saying that we shouldn't have seat belts because people should be driving more carefully in the first place.

That's a category error as well.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by cassepipe »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #245
stared wrote: post #40

I would like to add: - HPVs are extremely common: 80% of men and 90% of women will have at least one strain in their lives. Unless you plan to remain completely celibate, you are likely to contract a strain. - Sooner is better, but vaccination can be done at any age. Guidelines often lag behind, but vaccination makes sense even if you are currently HPV-positive. While it won't clear an existing infection, it protects…

I’m confused why it won’t clear an existing infection while still working on future infections. Here is what I know (which may be limited, I’m not a biologist) and also what I’m assuming: 1) The body apparently doesn’t eliminate the virus on its own when it picks up the virus unvaccinated. I’m assuming that this is because it isn’t registered by the immune system as being harmful, for whatever reason. 2) The attenuat…

I am assuming they meant it won't clear one strain that you already have but may protect against another one you don't

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by cassepipe »

wolvoleo wrote: post #190
stared wrote: post #40

I would like to add: - HPVs are extremely common: 80% of men and 90% of women will have at least one strain in their lives. Unless you plan to remain completely celibate, you are likely to contract a strain. - Sooner is better, but vaccination can be done at any age. Guidelines often lag behind, but vaccination makes sense even if you are currently HPV-positive. While it won't clear an existing infection, it protects…

Yeah I just did it at 50. Only got 2 gardasil shots though. They're so expensive because only young people get them subsidized. I heard 1 shots already conveys a lot of protection so I'm wondering whether to take the third. I'm a bit late with it too

How much did it cost you ?

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by cassepipe »

timr wrote: post #110
stared wrote: post #40

I would like to add: - HPVs are extremely common: 80% of men and 90% of women will have at least one strain in their lives. Unless you plan to remain completely celibate, you are likely to contract a strain. - Sooner is better, but vaccination can be done at any age. Guidelines often lag behind, but vaccination makes sense even if you are currently HPV-positive. While it won't clear an existing infection, it protects…

> While it won't clear an existing infection, it protects against different strains and reinfection (typically body removed HPV in 1-2 years). See: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38137661/ The study you've quoted here is not definitive evidence of the claim you're making, and that claim is...let's just say that it's controversial. Conventional wisdom is that you're unlikely to benefit from HPV vaccination unless you…

I understand why it wouldn't be recommended in policy but individually, provided you are rich enough to waste a hundred bucks, worse case is it's useless, best case you are 1-5% likely to spread a bad strain dangerous to yourself or to your partners, right ?

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Post by arjie »

Faaak wrote: post #256
arjie wrote: post #221

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Oh, that's much less: $300/dose and there's 3 doses. So that's $900 roughly. Thank you.

Holy cow. In France it's like 3 times less ( https://base-donnees-publique.medicaments.gouv.fr/medicament... ).

Right? That's why I think I'm going to get it in India. Cervavac should be fine.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by 0xbadcafebee »

timr wrote: post #206
0xbadcafebee wrote: post #185

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For those men wondering whether they should get vaccinated: - HPV causes genital warts, HPV is permanent, doctors won't test you for HPV unless you demand it, and the tests aren't reliable, which is why they literally won't diagnose you unless you already have genital warts. - Once you are confirmed HPV positive (again, you won't be confirmed without getting genital warts), you need to inform your partners, as it cau…

You missed three very important caveats that complicate the story you’re trying to tell: 1) not every strain of HPV causes cancer (iirc, the bad ones are rare). 2) many people (in fact, most people) who are active in the world have been infected with at least one strain of HPV. 3) it’s common to have asymptomatic HPV infections. you probably have one now. one more: 4) the vaccines likely have little effect on anythin…

The situation is pretty clear when you're a woman who got cancer from her boyfriend who knew he had HPV and didn't tell her, or didn't get vaccinated because he didn't feel like it. I think most people would want to avoid that situation. The genital warts thing is just embarrassing but another good-enough reason to get vaccinated early.

On Permanence: 10-20% of HPV infections either don't go away, or go dormant and recur throughout your lifetime. These strains are the ones likely to cause cancer. Low-risk ones cause genital warts that continue causing warts throughout your lifetime. High-risk ones may cause cancer.

The vaccine is available up until 45 years old. Worst case it does nothing, best case it prevents genital warts and cancer.

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by medler »

0_____0 wrote: post #154
terminalshort wrote: post #152

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That is terribly difficult. Why the hell do I have to make an appointment weeks in advance, then take time out of my day just to get permission from some asshole who asks about my sexual history? Why can't I just walk up to the counter, say "I'll take one HPV vaccine please" and pay the money? If you want me to get vaccinated make it easy.

My GP just offered it during my physical along with the flu and COVID booster. I declined the COVID booster since I had just gotten a mild case a couple months back. Got two shots in the left arm, was sore for a day and that was that.

Gardasil is usually a three-shot series. You may want to go back and get those followup shots

Re: HPV vaccination reduces oncogenic HPV16/18 prevalence from 16% to <1% in Denmark

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Post by wolvoleo »

cassepipe wrote: post #265
wolvoleo wrote: post #190

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Yeah I just did it at 50. Only got 2 gardasil shots though. They're so expensive because only young people get them subsidized. I heard 1 shots already conveys a lot of protection so I'm wondering whether to take the third. I'm a bit late with it too

How much did it cost you ?

200 euro per shot (so 400 in total but the recommended amount is 3 shots)

Here in Spain that's a lot of money.

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