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2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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array_key_first wrote: post #127
coldtea wrote: post #39

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> Hum. Windows has been ridden with bugs forever Windows had a reasonable share of bug analogous to its huge breadth and backwards compatibility needs. Otherwise, it was very stable and mature. Now it's gotten way worse...

I mean, define now . Windows has been progressively getting more buggy for a long time, before windows 11 or even 10. Windows 11 is pretty bad but it's been bad. Since day 1 the taskbar crashes for me a few times a day, file explorer crashes, and random things have stupid amounts of lag.

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Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by coldtea »

lostmsu wrote: post #122
coldtea wrote: post #39

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> Hum. Windows has been ridden with bugs forever Windows had a reasonable share of bug analogous to its huge breadth and backwards compatibility needs. Otherwise, it was very stable and mature. Now it's gotten way worse...

Yes, but it happened before ChatGPT. Windows 11 was released in 2021, already with shitty taskbar, search, and start menu.

Yes, but those were bad by choice.

Whereas the parent alluded to bugs just been piling gratuitously.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by u8080 »

olyjohn wrote: post #104
pdntspa wrote: post #84

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Who is actually shelling out $200 for Windows specifically? It's perceptually free if you bought it with your PC. And it's actually free if you took advantage of the free upgrade offer. I've picked up a few licenses off MacHeist for like $10

The cost is rolled into your PC when you buy it. Its not free. Your $10 licenses are not legal. Sorry. Those are sketchy grey market keys. Though Microsoft likely won't go after you for it, so I'm not sure it matters. You should have just saved the $10 and downloaded a cracked copy.

Cracked copy = trusting some shady 3rd party

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by t0mas88 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #192
ksynwa wrote: post #142

For me the strange and unproductive direction Windows is going towards in encapsulated in the right-click menu in the file manager (Explorer). 11 has a shiny new menu that shows up when you right click. But it is a new coat of paint over the ones from 10 or before. Additional options from for example 7zip don't show up in it. You have to click "more options" at the bottom which them reveals the old menu. There is no…

> except for the fact that it is aesthetically more "modern" to its detriment. And also much, much slower. The old context menu is nearly instant even when stuffed with extensions. When the new one is full of extensions, it takes full seconds to load the entire menu. You get a partial load, then the extensions pop in (and of course pushes elements down/up so now you misclick). I don't even know how anyone could exper…

Windows 10/11 UX is very slow in general. Combined with Intel mobile CPUs of the last few years running much hotter compared to Apple M models makes for terrible laptops. Lots of fan noise with a sluggish UI doesn't feel anywhere near a Macbook Air, even an M1. While full power raw CPU performance may actually be very close and the Intel based laptops typically cheaper.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by rocketvole »

deepspace wrote: post #201
Arech wrote: post #70

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I had been Windows user since Windows3.1. More than 3 decades straight. After a few years of working with Linux, installed Debian on home PC about a year ago and couldn't be more happier since then.

I briefly test-drove Windows 2, but have been a solid Windows user since 3.1 too. I have been forced to use Windows 11 on a succession of work PCs, but I stayed 10 at home due to the lack of a movable task bar and the terrible right-click menu in 11. When Microsoft started pushing hard against remaining on 10 this year, I made the switch - to MacOS. It was an easy decision, since I was finally able to get a MacBook f…

I've been trying out different distros, but still using windows 10 ltsc as my main OS. I've got 2 additional partitions containing popos with cosmic and kde fedora that I've narrowed it down to, but both need just a little more bugfixing to to become perfect for me. LTSC is still supported for a while, but if my computer stopped working, I feel like macOS would be a no-brainer for most people.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Dylan16807 »

handsclean wrote: post #146
pdntspa wrote: post #84

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Who is actually shelling out $200 for Windows specifically? It's perceptually free if you bought it with your PC. And it's actually free if you took advantage of the free upgrade offer. I've picked up a few licenses off MacHeist for like $10

> perceptually free Bizarre phrase. If you think mandatory bundling is free stuff then your perception is not very good.

Either way it's a hell of a lot less than $200 in that situation.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by Dylan16807 »

olyjohn wrote: post #104
pdntspa wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who is actually shelling out $200 for Windows specifically? It's perceptually free if you bought it with your PC. And it's actually free if you took advantage of the free upgrade offer. I've picked up a few licenses off MacHeist for like $10

The cost is rolled into your PC when you buy it. Its not free. Your $10 licenses are not legal. Sorry. Those are sketchy grey market keys. Though Microsoft likely won't go after you for it, so I'm not sure it matters. You should have just saved the $10 and downloaded a cracked copy.

I'm not going to switch to piracy to avoid some gray market sketchiness, as long as the keys don't seem to be stolen.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by 1718627440 »

odie5533 wrote: post #177
i80and wrote: post #154

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This sort of thing has been a devolving disaster since the Settings App was included in Windows 8 as a partial replacement for the Control Panel. I'm not sure the current state of things, but as of the last time I used Windows, the sets of functionality remained only partially overlapping between the two different tools.

The partial overlap has been in this state now for years and years. I still have to access the control panel for network device control, sound control, and some of the advanced sharing settings. I thought it would be a short transition but now we just have crappy partial duplicates of settings and ui styles scattered around this half baked migration. When I open the disk volume management it's like I'm back on Window…

Honestly I always hope that what I try to do, is still possible with the old Control Panel, since there I at least get understandable descriptions and can actually change things instead of the marketing speech and locked down settings in that abomination called "Settings app".

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by ProllyInfamous »

doodlebugging wrote: post #60

I am wrapping up my shift from Windows to Linux. I will have a linux box to replace my Win7Pro/Win10Pro install on an old Dell workstation. I will also be migrating one of my older relative's pc's to an identical linux box to replace their 2008 model ASUS machine running Win10. Once I have that all comfortably running I am walking away from iOS on the iPhone. I'm a bit tired of lock-in and in a position now where I h…

>Win7Pro

I have multiple systems set up, but my second-favorite is still my Win7Pro Core2Duo with 4GB RAM. It sits next to one of my typewriters, and still handles official/govt/tax forms quite well. It is my only machine that I allow access to Google services, all others being heavily PiHoled.

But this year I did finally convert an older dual core Xeon into a Linux-only box, which runs local Ollama quite well for predating ChatGPT by a decade+ .

Lastly, I sold all of my MSFT over this past year. I had only bought in, late 2022, because I had high-hopes for their integration of AI assistants... boy did they fumble that...

>walking away from iOS on the iPhone

Have you considered walking entirely away from smart phones? I don't even carry a cell phone, anymore (it is heavenly), but voice/text-only flip phones could be a sobering life experience for you.

Re: 2025 was a disaster for Windows 11

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Post by yndoendo »

BenjiWiebe wrote: post #241
badc0ffee wrote: post #231

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I think part of it is that creating a process is cheap in Unix-style OSs, and expensive in Windows. Windows doesn't want you to exec gcc, cpp, ld, etc. over and over again. It wants you to run an IDE that does it all in one process.

How many IDEs run it all in one process? As far as I know they still call lots of processes.

Visual Studios creates worker threads used for compiling C# that are reused for builds. This can be seen in task manager. Ran into a bug were the VS compiler would only work properly for one build and require VS to be restarted.

Visual Studios is like Windows, each version just seems to be getting worse with more bugs.

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