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Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by testing43523 »

elcritch wrote: post #70

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

Except when the bombardment comes from space.

Golden Dome is planning large constellations of lasers like this in constant orbit, as well as hypersonic warheads able to target any spot on Earth within 90 seconds https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Dome_(missile_defense_s...

It's explicitly an offensive technology (and of course Musk has been involved)

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by michaelmrose »

conception wrote: post #228
shigawire wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The heuristic is that it would be in their interest to trumpet their successes.

Not if revealing success also reveals methodology and “trade” secrets.

Its perfectly reasonable to suppose undisclosed successes are imaginary as that is the overwhelming likelihood

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by colordrops »

conception wrote: post #228
shigawire wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The heuristic is that it would be in their interest to trumpet their successes.

Not if revealing success also reveals methodology and “trade” secrets.

What could these secrets be other than a completely illegal comprehensive web of domestic spy apparatus.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by nielsbot »

jraby3 wrote: post #46
estebarb wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please read about the history of the region. This seems to be a good unbiased source, which is hard tobfind these days: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/09/why-israel-pal... In particular, put attention to this: """ What happened to the Palestinians who were living there? About 700,000 Palestinians were expelled or fled – about 85% of the Arab population of the territory captured by Israel – and were never…

Let's not pretend that the Jews just appeared there. 800k Jews were kicked out of middle eastern countries. If we rewind the clock shouldn't those Jews also get their Middle East land back? Or did they not terrorize enough people and hijack enough airplanes to qualify? Source: I was born in Baghdad. Father and other relatives were tortured and murdered there.

Sorry that happened to your family. The Zionist project has killed a lot of innocents.

> 800k Jews were kicked out of middle eastern countries

As a result of the creation of Israel.

As for Jews killed or terrorized into leaving Baghdad: Israeli historian Avi Schliem (whose family fled Baghdad to Israel after the Baghdad bombings) says Iraqi Zionists were responsible for some of those bombings in his latest book.

Finally, should Jews who had their lands stolen in the name of Zionism have their lands back? In a just world, yes.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by delichon »

Gibbon1 wrote: post #258
recroad wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Data says it’s the Palestinians that need defenses, not the ones doing 95% of the killing. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Palestinians patrons need to tell them they aren't going to win militarily against the Israeli's

Not today, but the fertily rate is 2.9 in Israel and 3.9 in Gaza. Even if demographics isn't quite destiny it's generally the way to bet.

Re: Iron Beam: Israel's first operational anti drone laser system

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Post by jimnotgym »

condensedcrab wrote: post #2

From Rafael’s site: https://www.rafael.co.il/system/iron-beam/ 100kW laser is nothing to joke about, but seems a good application for anti drone tasks. Fiber lasers are pretty snazzy.

How far away is the laser beam lethal? Could it accidentally bring down a plane flying behind the laser? Or a satellite?

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Post by elcritch »

recroad wrote: post #253
elcritch wrote: post #70

Personally I think that defensive technology like this is fantastic. It means that innocent citizens will be protected from constant bombardment or thread of bombardment by cheap mass produced rockets or drones. Israeli civilians have faced bombardment by tens of thousands of rockets from Gaza for the last 20 years [1]. Outside the Middle East there's many areas threatened by combatants with similar cheap missiles. P…

Data says it’s the Palestinians that need defenses, not the ones doing 95% of the killing. https://www.ochaopt.org/data/casualties

Israel invests in defending their civilians with technology like Iron Beam.

In contrast the Gazan government strategically uses humans shields [2, 3] and despite this the majority of Palestinians still support starting this war by attacking civilians on Oct 7th [1]. Defense technology doesn’t help if you don’t want it unfortunately.

Hamas also has hundreds of miles of tunnels which civilians aren’t allowed to use.

1: https://www.pcpsr.org/en/node/1000#:~:text=The%20Trump%20Pla... 2: https://stratcomcoe.org/cuploads/pfiles/hamas_human_shields.... 3: https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/01/hamas-officials-admi...

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