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I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by mritzmann »

davzie wrote: post #189
Foorack wrote: post #170

Am I the only one who doesn't care about E2E encryption, and just want an EU alternative? I DON'T WANT my chats to be "full E2E encrypted" with a 6-digit pin, only for me to loose them when I get a new phone. I DON'T WANT having to use a special gateway instead of normal IMAP to access my Proton mail. It really feels like server-side encryption is being forced down my throat and I don't consent. FB Messenger, X Chat,…

Try Migadu. It’s great.

I find their pricing model strange. I can completely understand why they would want to limit outgoing emails per day. But limiting incoming emails per day feels strange, even if the limit seems reasonable.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by desipenguin »

illiac786 wrote: post #205
littlecranky67 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a problem of encrypted storage in general (and hopefully homomorphic encryption will solve that), but I knew this and for me that is a feature, not a bug. I use 2-step password auth (NOT 2FA) explicitly so no one can read my emails without my consent - not the provider, nor the government.

Can you elaborate on how the second password improves the privacy/security posture? I might switch to it.

I am assuming that the second password is like decryption key. I have saved the second password as "mailbox password"

The way I interpreted is that first password is for the account, so verify I am who I say I am. But since the emails are encrypted, browser can't show my messages in human-readable form. Second/mailbox password decrypts it and shows the emails in human readable format.

This is just a guess.

I would love to hear about second password from other/more knowlegeable folks.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by desipenguin »

reloadtak wrote: post #237
littlecranky67 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To add to my own post what made me switch from M365 away in the first place besides the admin madness: - No catch-all (yes, I use my own domain just for me, and I want a catchall to my mailbox) - Outlook 365 webinterface becoming buggy and shitty in so many ways - I had 2 domains set up (one private, one business) but O365 would not display which email a given was used as target (just display my name), nor would it l…

1. That's one mail flow rule. 2. Agreed 3. Yes, inbox rules could color these 4. Something must wrong in CA, this should not happen (if you don't want it to)

I have faced "O365 required re-authentication every 24h or so" in my previous job.

It was irritating.

I just assumed it was "IT policy" and accepted the inconvinience.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by illiac786 »

desipenguin wrote: post #263
illiac786 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate on how the second password improves the privacy/security posture? I might switch to it.

I am assuming that the second password is like decryption key. I have saved the second password as "mailbox password" The way I interpreted is that first password is for the account, so verify I am who I say I am. But since the emails are encrypted, browser can't show my messages in human-readable form. Second/mailbox password decrypts it and shows the emails in human readable format. This is just a guess. I would lo…

ah, ok, but that’s not what this is for.

Proton does not have access to your email contents, no matter if you use one or two passwords. They do not have you password, neither the first one, nor the second one, they have a hash of it, to be able to verify you have types the correct password. Only the actual password (the first one or the second one) can decrypt email content. Decryption only happens in the browser (Or in the proton app).

Of course you need to trust them on this, it’s difficult to verify, but it as been audited multiple times.

The second password is an old vestige of the time where they couldn’t manage to use a single password for both authentication and decryption.

I use the second one as well, but I use it so I can use VPN on some common devices the family use as well, without having to enter the second password. So if the family device is lost or compromised, only my first proton password has ever been used on it.

Re: I migrated to an almost all-EU stack and saved 500€ per year

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Post by zie »

zie wrote: post #31

Vivaldi doesn't block ads as well as uBlock Origin, so I'll stick with uBlock Origin which means Firefox and friends anymore.

uBlock origin does indeed work, and ctrl+e is really nice, so I'm actually using Vivaldi as my main browser now. It's nice.
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