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What an unprocessed photo looks like

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Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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hey, not accusing you of anything (bad assumptions don't lead to a conducive conversation) but did you use AI to write or assist with this comment? this is totally out of my own self-interest, no problems with its content

Upon inspection, the author's personal website used em dashes in 2023. I hope this helped with your witch hunt. I'm imagining a sort of Logan's Run-like scifi setup where only people with a documented em dash before November 30, 2022, i.e. D(ash)-day, are left with permission to write.

wasn't talking about the em dashes (i use them myself) but thanks anyway :)

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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> As a result of this, if the linear data is displayed directly, it will appear much darker then it should be. Then -> than? (In case the author is reading comments here.)

The author makes this error every single time, in both articles by him I've read today. For some reason, as a person whose native language is not English, this particular error pisses me off so much.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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This is also why I absolute hate, hate, hate it when people ask me whether I "edited" a photo or whether a photo is "original", as if trying to explain away nice-looking images as if they are fake. The JPEGs cameras produce are heavily processed, and they are emphatically NOT "original". Taking manual control of that process to produce an alternative JPEG with different curves, mappings, calibrations, is not a crime.

As a mostly amateur photographer, it doesn't bother me if people ask that question. While I understand the point that the camera itself may be making some 'editing' type decision on the data first, a) in theory each camera maker has attempted to calibrate the output to some standard, b) public would expect two photos taken at same time with same model camera should look identical. That differs greatly from what often…

> public would expect two photos taken at same time with same model camera should look identical

But this is wrong. My not-too-exotic 9-year-old camera has a bunch of settings which affect the resulting image quite a bit. Without going into "picture styles", or "recipes", or whatever they're called these days, I can alter saturation, contrast, and white balance (I can even tell it to add a fixed alteration to the auto WB and tell it to "keep warm colors"). And all these settings will alter how the in-camera produced JPEG will look, no external editing required at all.

So if two people are sitting in the same spot with the same camera, who's to say they both set them up identically? And if they didn't, which produces the "non-processed" one?

I think the point is that the public doesn't really understand how these things work. Even without going to the lengths described by another commenter (local adjust so that there appears to be a ray of light in that particular spot, remove things, etc), just playing with the curves will make people think "it's processed". And what I described above is precisely what the camera itself does. So why is there a difference if I do it manually after the fact or if I tell the camera to do it for me?

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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Does anyone remember a blog post on how repeated sharpening and blurring results in reaction diffusion Turing patterns. That blog also had an article on sub pixel shift.

Trying frantically to remember and looking for it in my bookmarks but failing miserably. If anyone remembers what blog I am talking about please leave a link.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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An unprocessed photo does not “look”. It is RGGB pixel values that far exceed any display media in dynamic range. Fitting it into the tiny dynamic range of screens by thrusting throwing away data strategically (inventing perceptual the neutral grey point, etc.) is what actually makes sense of them, and what is the creative task.

Right. the statement "Here’s a photo of a Christmas tree, as my camera’s sensor sees it" is incoherent.

Don't you think you're being a bit too pedantic? Nothing really "sees". Eyes also do gather light and the brain analyzes the signals. We've invented a word for it but the word is a high level abstraction that could easily be applied to a camera sensor as well.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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Definitely what the author means: >There’s nothing that happens when you adjust the contrast or white balance in editing software that the camera hasn’t done under the hood. The edited image isn’t “faker” then the original: they are different renditions of the same data.

That's not how I read it. As in, this is an incidental comment. But the unprocessed version is the raw values from the sensors visible in the first picture, the processed are both the camera photo and his attempt at the end.

But mapping raw values to screen pixel brightness already entails an implicit transform, so arguably there is no such thing as an unprocessed photo (that you can look at).

Conversely the output of standard transforms applied to a raw Bayer sensor output might reasonably be called the "unprocessed image", since that is what the intended output of the measurement device is.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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Does anyone remember a blog post on how repeated sharpening and blurring results in reaction diffusion Turing patterns. That blog also had an article on sub pixel shift. Trying frantically to remember and looking for it in my bookmarks but failing miserably. If anyone remembers what blog I am talking about please leave a link.

Maybe these?

https://patorjk.com/blog/2025/11/02/what-happens-if-you-blur...

https://patorjk.com/blog/2025/03/10/making-a-follow-up-to-su...

https://relativisticobserver.blogspot.com/2012/02/keeping-it...

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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found the guy who didn't know about em dashes before this year also your question implies a bad assumption even if you disclaim it. if you don't want to imply a bad assumption the way to do that is to not say the words, not disclaim them

didn't even notice the em dashes to be honest, i noticed the contrast framing in the second paragraph and the "It's impressive how" for its conclusion. as for the "assumption" bit, yeah fair enough. was just curious of AI usage online, this wasn't meant to be a dig at anyone as i know people use it for translations, cleaning up prose etc

No offense taken, but realize that good number of us folks who have learned English as a second language have been taught in this way (especially in an academic setting). LLMs' writing are like that of people, not the other way around.

Re: What an unprocessed photo looks like

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Definitely what the author means: >There’s nothing that happens when you adjust the contrast or white balance in editing software that the camera hasn’t done under the hood. The edited image isn’t “faker” then the original: they are different renditions of the same data.

That's not how I read it. As in, this is an incidental comment. But the unprocessed version is the raw values from the sensors visible in the first picture, the processed are both the camera photo and his attempt at the end.

This whole post read like and in-depth response to people that claim things like “I don’t do any processing to my photos” or feel some kind of purist shame about doing so. It’s a weird chip some amateur photographers have on their shoulders, but even pros “process” their photos and have done so all the way back until the beginning of photography.
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