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Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by yunwal »

SamInTheShell wrote: post #110
yunwal wrote: post #44

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You should probably read the comment you're replying to before replying > Until there are laws in place that makes people actually responsible for creating these situations, it'll continue, as for a company, profits goes above all. They obviously meant that we ought to be holding these people responsible.

> You should probably read the comment you're replying to before replying Congrats you spotted the thing we agreed on between comments. If you fail to see the agreement through parity of the part that was echoed, idk what to tell you. Education system is failing everyone in it these days.

> If I was 10 years younger, I might agree that they aren't justifying it

You maybe need to read your own comments then? Idk man, they clearly aren't justifying anything, they're being critical and you're just spouting off about the education system

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by tremon »

afavour wrote: post #112
leeoniya wrote: post #92

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> You're thinking Chinese surveillance the big irony, of course, is that i'm much more comfortable with China surveilling me than the US, since the latter can throw me in jail, seize my assets, and ruin my family's life, while the former cannot.

The US government is a democracy and can be replaced should it exceed people’s limits. The CCP… uh, not so much. I’m not trying to say the US government is faultless but it amazes me how often I see this kind of anti-democratic institition sentiment.

A democratic government that tramples all democratic processes ceases to be democratic.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by Ajedi32 »

ryandrake wrote: post #216
Ajedi32 wrote: post #201

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That's easy. Person gets kidnapped, government surveillance camera helps police find the car before the kidnapper kills them. Or, probably more common: murder happens, government surveillance camera helps police find murderer and jail them before they kill someone else. That's why these cameras are so prevalent, the case for them is extremely obvious and easy to make (give police more tools to stop bad guys), while t…

> Person gets kidnapped, government surveillance camera helps police find the car before the kidnapper kills them. Or, probably more common: murder happens, government surveillance camera helps police find murderer and jail them before they kill someone else. It's a good steelman/devil's advocate of their position, but I wonder if proponents realize how much wishful thinking drives those supposed outcomes.

I don't think it's wishful thinking. Flock advertises how many actual, real-world cases their cameras have contributed to solving, and even just reading news reports on murder trials you'll often see comments like "suspect's car was caught on camera traveling such and such direction" in the timeline of events.

The question isn't whether these cameras help law enforcement. Of course they do. The question is whether that's sufficient justification for continuous government surveillance of the public movements of millions of law abiding citizens.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by lossolo »

embedding-shape wrote: post #242
ribosometronome wrote: post #236

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I wonder if that's why this post, with more upvotes than a number of the other ones on the front page, has seemingly vanished from it.

The number of comments is way higher than the number of upvotes, which usually gets submissions heavily downranked.

Comments were moved from this higher upvoted thread https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46356182 to this lower upvoted one.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by jjwiseman »

whycombinetor wrote: post #209
jjwiseman wrote: post #160

The CEO of Flock, Garrett Langley, called Deflock a terrorist group. It's unhinged. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l-kZGrDz7PU

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If they were doing that, that would be a criminal conspiracy, not terrorism. Authoritarians often like to call ordinary criminals, political opponents, and dissenters terrorists to delegitimize them and justify harsher behavior against them. I assume that's what Garrett Langley was trying to do when he called them a "terroristic organization".

Luckily for DeFlock they're not doing anything "terroristic" or even criminal.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by tremon »

SAI_Peregrinus wrote: post #208
embedding-shape wrote: post #141

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I've already placed my bets that current president will be the first to serve at least three terms since the two-term limit was introduced. Judging by what's happening, seems like a safer and safer bet every day.

I think the most likely reason that won't happen is some sort of cardiovascular failure (heart attack or stroke), not because anyone will actually stop the Republicans otherwise trying. Conservatives want a monarchy.

In that case, I guess we'll see a live-action remake of Presidency at Bernie's.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by stackedinserter »

phyzome wrote: post #179
stackedinserter wrote: post #98

Easy solution for Flock problem: get rid of visible license plates. Make them 2x1" of size and RFID-readable, give readers to police, problem solved. Not-that-easy solution is legal ban for such surveillance. None of these both will happen though. You accepted TSA and PRISM, you will get used to Flock too. Next is Flock but for people, with face recognition.

Fantastic, now I can't report a hit-and-run.

You never have, anyways.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by tremon »

embedding-shape wrote: post #146
array_key_first wrote: post #126

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It's not anti-democratic, it's just pragmatic. Yes the US is a democracy, but a lot of our systems suck ass and are also close in proximity. You DO NOT want to get into legal trouble in the US. Our justice system is beyond fucked. If there's one way to permanently ruin your life in the US, it's getting into legal trouble. You're better off smoking crack cocaine, that's probably healthier for your livelihood. I don't…

> I don't know about China's legal system, but even assuming it's more fucked, it's all the way over there. Not here. You're saying that the US legal system is extremely bad, shouldn't the assumption be that other countries have it better? I don't know much about either country's legal systems, but I do know that if I feel like my country is extremely bad at something, other countries probably do it better, at least…

I don't see how it matters how other countries rank vs the one a person lives in. Even if Canada's legal system is better than the US, you can't choose to subject yourself to the Canadian legal system without extricating yourself from the US first.

Re: Flock Exposed Its AI-Powered Cameras to the Internet. We Tracked Ourselves

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Post by eightysixfour »

xyzzy123 wrote: post #237
eightysixfour wrote: post #70

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This is a different argument than what I was responding to. > I know in theory we all can continuously download and datamine these video feeds but can everyone really? To which my response is "this is like OSS." What I mean by that is that, in theory, people audit and review code submitted to OSS software, in reality most people trust that there are other people who do it. > Public feeds would enable someone to docum…

Open cameras make information that was previously local and difficult to collect global and easier to collect. Relatively, it reduces the privacy and power of people on the ground in your neighbourhood and increases the power of more distant actors. It doesn't seem very socially desirable as an outcome. It also increases the relative power of people with technical capacity and capital for storage and processing etc.…

I think the theater of closed versions have the same problems, we just don’t acknowledge them as well.

If I were an enemy nation state, flock would definitely be a target.

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