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Microsoft Copilot AI Comes to LG TVs, and Can't Be Deleted

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Post by muwtyhg »

sgloutnikov wrote: post #174
mr_mitm wrote: post #158

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What do you think of Nvidia Shield? I haven't tried it, but I think it should also belong to 2). It's clearly much more expensive than a FireTV, but as you say it shouldn't be subsidized by ads. As an Android device it should be more open than an Apple TV. While I recognize the near flawless UI and high hardware quality of most Apple devices, I disagree with their "golden cage" or walled garden approach.

The Shield Pro is perfect for me and I have no reason to upgrade. Have mine downgraded and de-bloated using this guide [0] running a custom launcher. Like you said being Android and more open helps a lot. [0] https://florisse.nl/shield-debloat/

Does this article actually expect the reader to download two random APK files and then install them on their Shield? This seems... dangerous?

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Post by physicles »

mikkupikku wrote: post #195
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

My new rule for modern TVs is don't have a TV at all. The social role of having a TV is rapidly dwindling. First off, the number of movies and TV shows that merit even being watched is dwindling. Secondly, even if you find something worth watching, the odds that anybody else will want to watch it is small; everybody has been atomized by recommendation algorithms, everybody gets shown a different set of ads and media,…

I agree that the days when “everyone” watched the same show are done. But if you can find a small group to watch a show with (better in person), then there are better shows available for that experience these last several years, even if the average quality has gone down.

What are some of your favorite shared experiences to replace tv?

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Post by StevenNunez »

SeriousStorm wrote: post #247
alias_neo wrote: post #187

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Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

Before you buy an Apple TV you can try installing ProjectIvy launcher and see if that suits your needs. It's basically a simplified launcher UI for Android TV devices. It's not perfect, not if it suits your needs you won't have to buy another device.

I like FLauncher! Stupid simple and does the job.

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Post by aceazzameen »

aembleton wrote: post #215
mikkupikku wrote: post #195

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My new rule for modern TVs is don't have a TV at all. The social role of having a TV is rapidly dwindling. First off, the number of movies and TV shows that merit even being watched is dwindling. Secondly, even if you find something worth watching, the odds that anybody else will want to watch it is small; everybody has been atomized by recommendation algorithms, everybody gets shown a different set of ads and media,…

I like rewatching old TV shows and films, streamed from my Jellyfin server. For me, my rule is to get a Google TV, because I can change out the launcher to Flauncher. At least that way I don't see any ads. Google may well still be tracking me, but they do all over the web and I have an Android phone so they've already got plenty of data on me. I just avoid their ads so that it minimises the profitability of that data…

I use Flauncher too. I also use Netguard from F-Droid and block everything except streaming apps and their dependencies. I only unblock Google when a steaming app requires an update. I'm slowly dropping subscriptions and moving to Jellyfin though too.

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Post by Smar »

tzs wrote: post #29

So what does it do ? In the discussion yesterday no one covered that. From what this article says it is an app (which fits with how it is displayed in the screenshot), which suggests you would need to choose to open it to actually have it do anything.

It should at least do its core function: collect data.

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Post by ZooCow »

Sander_Marechal wrote: post #250
ZooCow wrote: post #235

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I agree. My Google TV with Projectivity Launcher shows zero launcher ads unlike my Apple TV. As a bonus, it lets me install SmartTube and use DeArrow and Sponsor Block. I just wish I could get something similar as a native iOS app. Although I can use Safari extensions, the Safari YouTube experience on iOS is terrible.

I love Projectivity Launcher on my Google Streamer, but I can't figure out how to really replace the built-in launcher. Sometimes the device falls back to the default launcher until I press the "home" button on my remote.

I had that same issue, and to solve it, I connected to the TV with ADB and disabled the default launcher.

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Post by theshrike79 »

alias_neo wrote: post #201
theshrike79 wrote: post #194

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Yes. The only other one I'd seriously consider is the nVidia Shield (Pro?). But the risk with that is that it's decade old hardware with no updates in sight. It's more for the "My Plex/Jellyfin server has all the movies and TV shows ever" -crowd :) Meanwhile my 1st gen 4k AppleTV (6-ish years old?) is chugging away perfectly and runs every single 3rd party streaming platform I need - even the local ones. As a market…

I've been aware of the Shield devices for some years now, as an Android user, but something always put me off them. I lrecently bought the FireTV 4K in a last-ditched effort to find something I could at least have some control over; if I could replace the launcher with something that's just app icons and not all adverts it would have been perfect, but alas, Amazon has prevented that, so onto the next thing. It's real…

You can play games decently on Apple TV, those require some storage and I believe at least the native Apple apps cache pretty heavily to local storage instead of relying on streaming.

There are "apps" too, but all of them are related to streaming video in some way, except for the games of course.

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Post by wasmainiac »

I never connected my smart tvs to the internet. I buy the cheapest TV (at the size I want) and connect an old laptop, lid closed, and a cheap mini keyboard. It does everything I want, never updates itself with unwanted features and never shows me ads. Been doing this for 10 years, why would anyone actually want a smart tv.

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Post by BizarroLand »

mikkupikku wrote: post #258
scld wrote: post #249

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You're acting as if your personally held philosophical beliefs aren't contradicted by some of the most famous minds in history.

How interesting! These great minds you speak of, are they objectively great, or only subjectively? If they are only subjectively great, then why should a lazy appeal to them sway me? And if they are objectively great minds, then how does that not acknowledge my premise? I'm teasing you, I do acknowledged that there are great minds, past and present, who disagree with me. And I trust you can acknowledge the same, ther…

Using flowery language does not automatically make you correct, and even if on the hard facts you are correct, it comes across as condescending and arrogant.

What you're saying, "There are shows on TV worth watching and the art form is still evolving, and one person not liking it doesn't mean that it is bad" would have come across much more cleanly if you had stated it plainly.

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Post by BizarroLand »

alias_neo wrote: post #187
kburman wrote: post #127

My rule for modern TVs: 1. Never connect the TV panel itself to the internet. Keep it air-gapped. Treat it solely as a dumb monitor. 2. Use an Apple TV for the "smart" features. 3. Avoid Fire TV, Chromecast, or Roku. The logic is simple, Google (Chromecast) and Amazon (Fire TV) operate on the same business model as the TV manufacturers subsidized hardware in exchange for user data and ad inventory. Apple is the only…

Maybe this is what I need to do. I disconnected our living room LG TV from the internet and got a Fire Stick 4K Max, but I hate it; 90% of the screen is advert, and you get a tiny sliver for the 5 apps it lets you see, and you have to go digging for the rest, not to mention the home-screen advertising isn't always appropriate for young children. I hadn't considered Apple TV because I've never been an Apple user, but…

A cheap used mini desktop with a linux install on it is also a good way to go. Throw in a wireless mouse and keyboard and you can do not only what an AppleTV or Android box does but also everything a cheap used mini pc can do.

Even something like this: https://www.ebay.com/itm/127547167640

Would be a media powerhouse compared to almost any set top box you can buy.

Throw OpenElec or OSMC on it for simple media setup or Bazzite or Ubuntu for a normal linux desktop with downloadable applications for most streaming platforms.

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