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Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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There's a difference between "Let's use Calibri to make our documents more readable" and "Let's go back to TNR becuase using Calibri is woke nonsense by Biden's guy". They could have used pretty much any other reason to switch back to TNR, but decided to make it a childish DEI/"woke" jab.

You understand both justifications are actually made up? As there is no evidence Calibri has better readability, certainly it doesn't have anything to do with wokeism.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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“I want a new font so it’s easier to read” isn’t neutral?

Not when you are the aggressor in WW2? I guess if Russia invaded Western Europe and Putin decided to switch from Cyrillic to Latin script so the subjugated peoples would more easily read and learn Russian, that would be neutral too?

That isn’t a genuine argument.

Font face != different language + different alphabet.

Font, still a bad argument but technically correct. Font face, nah.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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This is why I'm seriously considering learning Chinese. Next 50 years won't be US lead. When senior government officials are spending time & public mindshare/attention on whether a particular font is or is not diverse then you know it is game over. The details don't matter...this being a topic at all is the news

pushing for more literacy at scale is usually a good thing.

this approach is garbage, but i find your second line a bit odd.

it is also funny you bring up china because china changed their entire character system for diversity reasons (less educated people couldn't read).

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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> Calibri font has "I" and "l" the same, according to Wikipedia. A better font should avoid characters being too similar (such as "I" and "l" and "1"). Only when used in a context where they can be confused. This is a situation where HN is going to give bad advice. Programmers care deeply about that stuff (i.e. "100l" is a long-valued integer literal in C and not the number 1001). Most people tend not to, and there i…

> Most people tend not to Except the whole rationale for going to Calibri in the first place was that it was supposedly more accessible due to being easier to OCR.

That's the "diversity" they were talking about?? Fucks sake.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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As far as paper copies of laws and proclamations are concerned, the government can print them out in Wingdings for all I care. 99.999% of people will never see the physical paper. What matters are the digital files which, along with PDF, should be available to view in any font I want, whether Times New Roman or Comis Sans or braille.

They should be digitally signed PDFs. It's nearly 2026 and trivial to do.

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> "This formatting standard aligns with the President’s One Voice for America’s Foreign Relations directive, underscoring the Department’s responsibility to present a unified, professional voice in all communications," it added.

This administration truly sets a high standard for professional communication...

> S.V. Dáte, HuffPost’s senior White House correspondent, asked the White House earlier this month who suggested Budapest, Hungary, as the location for an upcoming meeting between Trump and Putin. White House Press Secretary Karoline Leavitt responded: “Your mom did.” White House Communications Director Steven Cheung then followed up: “Your mom.”

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-polit...

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Calibri font has "I" and "l" the same, according to Wikipedia. A better font should avoid characters being too similar (such as "I" and "l" and "1"). Another issue is due to the font size and font metrics, how much space it will take up on the page, to be small enough to avoid wasting paper and ink but also not too small to read. So, there are multiple issues in choosing the fonts; however, Times New Roman and Calibr…

A font was the en_US version of fount. A fount was a particular example of a typeface. A typeface is something like TNR or Calibri. They all seem to have been munged into a single set of synonyms except for fount which has been dropped (so why do we still have colour and all that stuff)? A print, then typewriter, then computer typeface emulates a written script but also takes on a life of its own. Handwriting in engl…

I thought I was the only one that still crossed a seven and slashed a zero. I don’t dot an ‘O’ however.

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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Leaders and typefaces: In 1941 Adolf Hitler personally gave order to make the use of the Antiqua mandatory and forbade the use of Fraktur and Schwabacher typefaces. https://ligaturix.de/bormann.htm

Forgive my ignorance but this seems to be one of the most neutral things Hitler did. He just didn't like the font so he ordered it to be changed. Equivalent to your boss ordering tabs be used instead of spaces. After the war was lost the arguments just continued. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antiqua%E2%80%93Fraktur_disput...

As they say, "Hitler drank water."

Re: Rubio stages font coup: Times New Roman ousts Calibri

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> Yeah because normal people never have to deal with alphanumeric strings... Natural language tends to have a high degree of disambiguating redundancy and is used to communicate between humans, who are good at making use of that. Programming languages have somewhat less of disambiguating redundancy (or in extreme cases almost none), and, most critically, are used to communicate with compilers and interpreters that ha…

Legal language isn't very natural

Legal language is natural language with particular domain-specific technical jargon; like other uses of natural language, it targets humans who are quite capable of resolving ambiguity via context and not compilers and interpreters that are utterly incapable of doing so.

Not that official State Department communication is mostly “legal language” as distinct from more general formal use of natural language to start with.

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