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Post by netdevphoenix »

moelf wrote: post #43
joecool1029 wrote: post #22

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> As an American, I will order this phone as soon as it’s available to me! It won’t be. From the time of their first phone the company actively made the choice to not support the US market. There’s the obvious spectrum difference and cost to certify, but the real reason they don’t want to touch it is litigation risk on patents and whatnot.

https://www.androidauthority.com/graphene-os-major-android-o... hope fully soon

Main problem with this is that Google can end it as soon as they want to as Google effectively controls Android. Tactics like remote attestion will make it increasingly harder for Graphene to exist

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Post by Fnoord »

sombragris wrote: post #176
dyingkneepad wrote: post #143

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While WhatsApp is not very much used in the US, in some other countries such as Brazil it is basically the primary form of "phone" communication. It is everyone's default text, voice and video message platform. People don't ask if you have WhatsApp there, they just assume it. You talk to your Bank/Investor manager using WhatsApp. You order pizza through WhatsApp. Customer Support for services is WhatsApp bots that se…

This. Some people just don't realize how pervasive and essential WhatsApp is in some countries, mine included. I'd much rather use Signal but that's not realistic.

There was a time where IRC was the most popular way to chat, and then MSN became IM default. Then people 'pinged' with BBOS. At one point, WhatsApp became the default, and just now Signal got popular, [1] thanks to Donald Trump.

[1] https://old.reddit.com/r/signal/comments/1j38sgw/signal_is_t...

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Post by Fnoord »

nialv7 wrote: post #202
dijit wrote: post #73

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Supply chain has left us. Since there's no new development happening with small phones, we'd have to settle for "older spec" screens (IE, new stock iPhone 5 screens, with none of the colour accuracy, frame-rate etc improvements from the last 10 years). People don't like "old spec", so they'd probably not buy those devices. If you're a small player, then you're downstream of the supply chain, you don't make the rules.…

> Supply chain has left us. Who made the decision? There are still so many of us wanting a compact phone, but the big tech companies (Google, Apple, etc.) said no, therefore we can't have it. Not only can we not have it, they also closed the door on everyone, now even if someone wants to service this section of the market, they can't. Because, yes, the supply chain has left us. This is power - they are taking away ou…

> We got do something to stop this, but I feel so powerless.

I avoid anything from Sam Altman, and share the news that this asshole is single-handedly screwing up the DRAM market. It isn't much, but it is the least I can do.

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Post by MarsIronPI »

m4rtink wrote: post #68
MarsIronPI wrote: post #57

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Isn't it SailfishOS? It shouldn't be too hard to find screenshots/screencasts. I just hope it has good mainline kernel support.

Yeah - its a real daily usable thing on supported hardware & I have been using it on primary phone since 2013. :)

My one complaint with SailfishOS is that it's not fully FOSS. If it was I'd probably switch to it.

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Post by dyingkneepad »

m4rtink wrote: post #193
sombragris wrote: post #176

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This. Some people just don't realize how pervasive and essential WhatsApp is in some countries, mine included. I'd much rather use Signal but that's not realistic.

But isn't it a timebomb waiting to blow up eventually? Like, Meta fucks something up with it and there is nothing you can do. IIRC South Korea used to be fully depedent on a horrendous AcriveX applet running only in Internet Explorer for all their online services, yet they eventually managed to get rid of it. It should be possible here as well.

If WhatsApp does something really bad tomorrow, the population will probably migrate to Telegram very quickly, as it seems to be the 2nd most popular app for the category there.

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Post by magic-amoeba »

anonymousiam wrote: post #186

I would pre-order one, but they don't seem to be willing to sell to US customers. The last two bullets of their FAQ: Will the Jolla Phone work outside Europe, can I use it e.g. in the U.S.? Yes, we will design the cellular band configuration to enable global travelling as much as possible, including e.g. roaming in the U.S. carrier networks. Can I buy the Jolla Phone if I’m outside Europe, can I use it e.g. in the U.…

I ordered phones all the time from Europe 25 years ago when you couldn’t get a cool phone in the US. There will be a store somewhere that’ll sell you one.

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Post by aerique »

thesuitonym wrote: post #155
nikanj wrote: post #88

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Every now and then some phone manufacturer mistakes online sentiment for actual demand and gets burned making a mini phone that won’t sell

I've been IT operations for years, and when I order laptops I sometimes do a little experiment. If I ask people if they want a 15.6" laptop or a 13" laptop, they always say 15.6. If I don't give them a choice and just start buying 13" laptops, everybody tells me how much they love the smaller laptop, and people still on the 15.6" models start looking around asking when they can get the smaller one. People don't know…

My eyes want a 19" laptop these days.

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Post by aerique »

Aachen wrote: post #242
poetaster wrote: post #170

Yipee! Ok, I can't afford more hardware, but it's my favourite mobile os and I develop/maintain apps for it, so I'm happy to see the amount of effort Jolla has put in in the last 2 years to stay relevant and up their game!

Would you like this phone to run your own apps? If you spend development time on the ecosystem, I could maybe pay your voucher (the 99€ downpayment part), then you can get the hardware on release at the discounted price they offer for backers Edit: I'll probably miss any replies here. Email me on (rot13) wbyyn99@ytzf.ay. I'm offering this because imo it's important to have an alternative ecosystem to Android, conside…

I can also chip in, fully agree with Aachen.

(and I've also made apps for things I'm missing on SFOS (Pushover client, Bluesky client), so Hi5!)

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Post by aerique »

parasitid wrote: post #7

it's based on a proprietary os, which includes halium proprietary blobs. imho, linux users should focus on phones well supported by postmarketos

At least SFOS has been a viable daily driver since 2013, so there's that.

And SFOS can also run natively like on the PinePhone.

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